The "Good Friday" Hoax

[jenwat3]

Why can

[Richard_yaash]

Actually, Jesus did die on a Wednesday. He was resurrected on Saturday, but not Saturday night. IMO, He waas in the grave for exactly 72 hours, or 3 days. That would have made His resurrection at 3 pm on Saturday. When the Marys came to visit His tomb very early on Sunday, He was already gone. He had risen the day before.

If I may... and pardon my intrusion:

If He gave up His spirit at 3, it would not have been til near sunset by the time He was placed within the tomb. IMO: It also would have been near/around/about shabat sunset that He arose...

[jenwat3]

Actually, Jesus did die on a Wednesday. He was resurrected on Saturday, but not Saturday night. IMO, He waas in the grave for exactly 72 hours, or 3 days. That would have made His resurrection at 3 pm on Saturday. When the Marys came to visit His tomb very early on Sunday, He was already gone. He had risen the day before.

If I may... and pardon my intrusion:

If He gave up His spirit at 3, it would not have been til near sunset by the time He was placed within the tomb. IMO: It also would have been near/around/about shabat sunset that He arose...

My point exactly. I am not understanding how someone can fit the "3 days and 3 nights" into the time period of Wednesday-Sunday. If He died on Wednesday, the only way for someone to fit a period of 72 hours into that time slot would be He had to have risen on 3 pm Saturday. To say He rose on Sunday morning would not fit in the 72 hour time period. Wednesday-Thursday=1day. Thursday-Friday=2 days. Friday-Saturday=3 days. 3pm Wednesday-3pm Saturday is 72 hours. Any more (or less) time than that would make Him out to be a liar. And if He lied about the actual time He was in the grave, then He sinned, and we have no Savior!

[sheya joie]

We must also remember that the 'Lord' went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud by day *AND* as a pillar of fire by night. Thus they were able to travel via both day and night [cf Exo 13:21-22].

A little tangent here.

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Act 2:3 And

there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire

, and it sat upon each of them.

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Anyone ever thought of it that these 'tongues as of fire' may have been somewhat like the pillar of cloud and fire (from Exodus) in miniature?

[Richard_yaash]

My point exactly. I am not understanding how someone can fit the "3 days and 3 nights" into the time period of Wednesday-Sunday. If He died on Wednesday, the only way for someone to fit a period of 72 hours into that time slot would be He had to have risen on 3 pm Saturday. To say He rose on Sunday morning would not fit in the 72 hour time period. Wednesday-Thursday=1day. Thursday-Friday=2 days. Friday-Saturday=3 days. 3pm Wednesday-3pm Saturday is 72 hours. Any more (or less) time than that would make Him out to be a liar. And if He lied about the actual time He was in the grave, then He sinned, and we have no Savior!

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your point. I will rephrase and expound a little, perhaps you would be so kind as well, for I truly would like to fully understand and comprehend your point.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. IOW: In the tomb. Not hours of death.

It would have been very close to sunset by the time He was laid to rest in the tomb. IMO: He left the tomb about sunset saturday night.

Matthew 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

Began to dawn: The Hebrew term would be shakhar, which is the time between 'dark' and 'sunrise'. The Greek here is epiphoskouse eis, or 'to grow light toward'. So this is very early in the morning and they found the tomb already empty. There is no indication as to exactly when 'Jesus' left the tomb. We simply know it was empty in the pre-sunrise hours of the day.

I shall look forward to your response. It sounds as though we are close on this, I just want to be sure that I am understanding you correctly.

[Richard_yaash]

We must also remember that the 'Lord' went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud by day *AND* as a pillar of fire by night. Thus they were able to travel via both day and night [cf Exo 13:21-22].

A little tangent here.

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Act 2:3 And

there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire

, and it sat upon each of them.

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Anyone ever thought of it that these 'tongues as of fire' may have been somewhat like the pillar of cloud and fire (from Exodus) in miniature?

Hmmm, interesting Sheya Joie. The thought had never occurred to me. A very good point and worthy of considering further, thank you for sharing that.

[jenwat3]

My point exactly. I am not understanding how someone can fit the "3 days and 3 nights" into the time period of Wednesday-Sunday. If He died on Wednesday, the only way for someone to fit a period of 72 hours into that time slot would be He had to have risen on 3 pm Saturday. To say He rose on Sunday morning would not fit in the 72 hour time period. Wednesday-Thursday=1day. Thursday-Friday=2 days. Friday-Saturday=3 days. 3pm Wednesday-3pm Saturday is 72 hours. Any more (or less) time than that would make Him out to be a liar. And if He lied about the actual time He was in the grave, then He sinned, and we have no Savior!

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your point. I will rephrase and expound a little, perhaps you would be so kind as well, for I truly would like to fully understand and comprehend your point.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. IOW: In the tomb. Not hours of death.

It would have been very close to sunset by the time He was laid to rest in the tomb. IMO: He left the tomb about sunset saturday night.

Matthew 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

Began to dawn: The Hebrew term would be shakhar, which is the time between 'dark' and 'sunrise'. The Greek here is epiphoskouse eis, or 'to grow light toward'. So this is very early in the morning and they found the tomb already empty. There is no indication as to exactly when 'Jesus' left the tomb. We simply know it was empty in the pre-sunrise hours of the day.

I shall look forward to your response. It sounds as though we are close on this, I just want to be sure that I am understanding you correctly.

Ok, 3 days and 3 noghts He was buried. He would have been buried before sunset, though, since Jewish law forbade anyone dead from being left on the cross on a sabbath, and they had to bury Him quickly before the sun set, since even the burial was considered work. So the 72 hour period would still have ended on Saturday, not Sunday morning. And it would have been before the sun went down.

Edited March 4, 2008 by jenwat3

[Richard_yaash]

Ok, 3 days and 3 noghts He was buried. He would have been buried before sunset, though, since Jewish law forbade anyone dead from being left on the cross on a sabbath, and they had to bury Him quickly before the sun set, since even the burial was considered work. So the 72 hour period would still have ended on Saturday, not Sunday morning. And it would have been before the sun went down.

Have you ever lost anyone close to you? Someone you deeply and dearly loved?

If you lost someone you really cared about and it was unlawful to attend to it upon a certain day, would you really care about the law?

I lost my wife a little over four years ago, it was sudden, unexpected and she died in my arms.

How much worse it must have been for those who witnessed His death.

At the time, I observed shabat, do you think I really cared about shabat and the laws thereof compared to the tragedy that had just occurred? No.

IMO: It would have been very close to sunset if not right at sunset by the time He was laid in the tomb. It could even have been just after, for having witnessed His death... I do not think they were that concerned about the law.

[jenwat3]

Ok, 3 days and 3 noghts He was buried. He would have been buried before sunset, though, since Jewish law forbade anyone dead from being left on the cross on a sabbath, and they had to bury Him quickly before the sun set, since even the burial was considered work. So the 72 hour period would still have ended on Saturday, not Sunday morning. And it would have been before the sun went down.

Have you ever lost anyone close to you? Someone you deeply and dearly loved?

If you lost someone you really cared about and it was unlawful to attend to it upon a certain day, would you really care about the law?

I lost my wife a little over four years ago, it was sudden, unexpected and she died in my arms.

How much worse it must have been for those who witnessed His death.

At the time, I observed shabat, do you think I really cared about shabat and the laws thereof compared to the tragedy that had just occurred? No.

IMO: It would have been very close to sunset if not right at sunset by the time He was laid in the tomb. It could even have been just after, for having witnessed His death... I do not think they were that concerned about the law.

I can understand your point, but the ones who crucified Him did not feel the way you do. To them Jesus was not the Savior, but just another man. Therefore the laws would still have applied to Him.

[nebula]

To them Jesus was not the Savior, but just another man.

OK, this is a thread hijack . . . but although they didn't understand Him as "savior" yet, they surely thought of him as more than "just another man."