Woman gives birth hanging from tree

[healingoil]

hmmm, I am not sure healingoil understands what my grievance is

interesting. so this is how to feels to talk and have people not actually hear what u are saying. very interesting indeed.

What is your grievance? I've been listening (reading) everything you've said and still am...

Do you or do you not think that what they did was inexcusable regardless of their culture, etc.? A simple yes or no will suffice.

[buckthesystem]

hmmm, I am not sure healingoil understands what my grievance is

interesting. so this is how to feels to talk and have people not actually hear what u are saying. very interesting indeed.

If you are trying to say something, it is up to you to choose language to adequately convey what you want to say. You do not blame someone else for "misunderstanding you".

That is, if it is clear in your mind what you want to say.

Healingoil is not the only one, I got the impression, too, from what you said that you were trying to justify these actions by the fact that "it is their culture".

Not wishing to antagonise, but your view sounds like it is straight out of a speech to the UN, or a UN dictate.

[Guest Biblicist]

bib, i am not debating that at all. the real issue that bothers me is that people have a tendency to think the western culture is the standard and that those in teh west have the cultural practices that everyone else should follow. if anyone does anything different, then they are labeled as "primitive" or whatever.

which is why statements like the one u just made are a hard for me to read. sorcery is a very real and serious crime in their society. to the western society we dismiss such things as silly when to them, it is a matter of great importance. they have justice system set up in place to deal with such things in accordance with what works for them. we are quick to judge without even looking at things critically or bothering to understand how and why things are done the way they are.

I do believe that there are always two sides to every story and that the media is often biased in their reports. However, the message is very clear here.

For ME, and most people, this reaction/action is uncivilized.

Uncivilized is defined as not civilized or cultured; barbarous.

Civilized ~ 1.having an advanced or humane culture, society, etc. 2.polite; well-bred; refined. 3.of or pertaining to civilized people: The civilized world must fight ignorance. 4.easy to manage or control; well organized or ordered: The car is quiet and civilized, even in sharp turns.

Their practices are not just different, they are uncivilized. Barbarous, primitive, inhumane. Understandably this is their culture, but that does not mean that it's OK for them to behave in this manner.

Sorcery should be a serious crime in any society, after all, it is against God's word. Although, I don't believe that is their reasons against it. However, in a civilized, ordered society, there would be a trial, some humane practice that would give the people some voice. Instead of dragging them out of their home and stringing them up. If they have a justice system set up and in place then it does not seem that it was exercised in this instance. And in fact, sounds as if the "tribe" was the judge and jury, instead of the government. How civilized is that?

Nolan Yekum and her husband Paul were dragged from their house and hung from a tree by fellow tribesmen who accused them of sorcery after the couple's neighbour suddenly died.

He said he pleaded with fellow villagers to wait for his neighbour's post-mortem and he accused local police of failing to act.

What I think people are really upset about is that she was pregnant. It upsets me too. But lots of pregnant women do stupid, illegal things every day. They can't hide behind their babies. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

We know that midwives were burned at the stake for witchcraft [sorcery] back in the day, because their practices were "different". Did that make it OK, because it was their culture? I consider that uncivilized behaviour. It is highly possible that this man and woman were "natural" healers and tried helping their ill neighbor. Of course, maybe just taking the guy a pot of soup was enough. When he died, the tribe automatically assumed it was witchcraft. Their judgement was swift. It was wrong.

I hope you can understand more fully why this situation bothers me. And your stand is so confusing to me.