KJV Bible and other translations of the Bible

[Richard_yaash]

such as the NWT

Even the NWT has merit though. The certain 'key' verses for which it is looked upon as being 'poor', I can supply a list of multiple other translations that are very similar. I have looked deeply into the textual criticisms of it and for myself, do not have a problem with it. I just don't use it not do I recommend it.

Just my 2 cents.

[Richard_yaash]

This Bible has distortions... <snip> one choosing a Bible that supports their theological postion.

Yes, that does in fact occur, I do not dispute that. Thus my use of 'flavour' in regard to translations. IMO: Even the KJV has it's own unique 'flavour'. That however does not knock it.

with ministers creating doctrine by using one verse from one Bible and nother verse from another Bible to support their message.

I have seen such as well. I am fully aware of these things and have looked into the codices/manuscripts/texts in regard to them. In some cases, there is a lot of merit in that which is presented. In some cases, they choose to use a different 'flavour' because it actually better represents the original.

We need one reliable translation

That would indeed be nice. However it is a thing that is practically impossible. Whenever I work in transliteration, or when involved in deeper discussion regarding something within the original texts. Sometimes it can take three or more English words to fully convey the depth of a particular word in translation. I am sure you have noticed in my writings that I tend to use a style of writting in which I write to the effect of either/or/neither/nor a lot. There is NO direct 'word for word' correlation at times. Thus why we have some differences in translations. It is not that one is right and the other is wrong, it is that the translation team choose the word that they felt best conveyed the original.

[Richard_yaash]

God does not say anything about the KJV being inspired, and neither do the KJV translators. Their reason for doing this translation was that they were commissioned by King James and not some inspired Divine mission from God. If King James had not commissioned it, they would never have written it.

Understood and not disputed. It was just something that crossed my mind and I decided to share it.

[Richard_yaash]

Richard, I have already stated for the record numerous times I cannot conclusevely prove my position. I have stated that it is my belief. I share it to others to warn them, because I believe what I am saying is true. Shiloh is the one going around claiming to have evidence to support his claims, and he has given none.

Butero, I know you believe what you say is true, I have no doubt of that. Just as we not only believe, but know with confidence that what we present is true. I could produce evidence, however to do so would take this thread down a path of certain destruction. Not only that, to produce authentic original research requires a lot of time. Time that I do not currently have. Sure, I could quote some cheap/cheesy website, but I do not. I only present my own work/research/findings.

[Richard_yaash]

The NWT is put out by the Jehovah's Witnesses. That alone should cause people to avoid it.

I am completely aware of that. I am also aware of certain 'key' passages. I am further aware of and can produce a list of over a dozen if not more translations that are in accord with certain 'key' verses.

As I said, I do not use it, nor do I ever recommend it. However, if that was the only Bible someone ever had, I think they would find their way through it. I can not see them being 'rejected' of 'God' because of it.

[Richard_yaash]

Where did God speak and say the original manuscripts were divinely inspired? Was it an audible voice from heaven? No, it was in the Bible itself.

I understand. But also remember that if one was to invalidate the codices/manuscripts/texts, it would also invalidate the KJV as well.

As I pointed out, the Book of Mormon makes the same claim. It is not by that testimony I believe, but because I have read it, and believe it by faith.

I think the holy writ of most 'religions' make that type of claim. For myself, this in part is also why I became involved with the codices/manuscripts/texts.

By the way Richard, you asked me what the book was I was refering to about Adam and Eve. It was something like Book of Eden or something like that. It told about the fall, but also gave an additional story about their attempts to show God they were truly repentant in the hopes of being allowed back into the garden. It also goes on to tell about the devil tricking Eve again. I don't believe it is divinely inspired, but some do.

Thank you, I do remember giving such a cursory reading quite a few years ago. However I never got around to any textual criticism of it. When one has read as many of the extra-Biblical as I have, you begin to see Genesis as a "Cliff Notes" version. I have found Bere'shyt [Genesis] as being able to withstand and hold it's own against any of the extra-Biblical books.

[Richard_yaash]

It may be different for other readers, but to me, defending the NWT Bible and stating that a dozen or more translations agree with certain key verses in it doesn't persuade me to move away from my KJV only position. It only strengthens it.

Understood. As I stated, I do not use it, nor do I recommend it. I just will not denigrate it.

[GymRose]

I wasn't aware that the NWT was available outside of the JWs apart from if someone got one for you.... It isn't available in stores is it???

I've never seen one outside of the JWs in Australia anyways, other than the one my ex mother in law gave me which I destroyed when I can back to church after my ex husband and I divorced. I didn't think they were easily attainable.

I understand your points on this about false doctrine Butero but general people know what is from the Christian church and what is not because of where they are or are not available.

[Richard_yaash]

The NWT was "translated" by people who purposely manipulated it to fit their doctrine. It was written for a single denomination, and as such, can't be entertained as a credible or reliable translation. It tampers with the divinity and message of Christ. The people who "translated" it could not even read any of the original languages. I can't either, and as such, I would never think that I could "translate" any of the Bible.

Understood. It is simply another of the vast number of available 'flavours'.

[Richard_yaash]

I wasn't aware that the NWT was available...

Yes, it is available in some places.