So Gary Gygax has died

[Guest yod]

This seems like a good teaching tool (and kinda fun) at first glance.

D&D seems like something else. It seems to be individuals taking on roles of unearthly (and therefore supernatural) characters who manipulate other characters with magical spells.

It that not remotely accurate?

No. Not even remotely. There are spells to manipulate other characters but they're neither evil nor required to play the game. Likewise there are spells to kill other characters where they stand, raise the dead or change the entire world on a whim, but they're also not necessary to play the game.

Yes, you take on an alternate identity - that's what role-playing means - and yes, they're fantasty characters. Knights, thieves, elves, dwarves, and yes, wizards. it's no more evil or witchcraft than reading a Dennis Wheatley novel.

I actually thought the witchcraft delusion was over...

What you describe seems like it could be harmless if its a game that one plays on a board...but when it's a role playing game it creates an alternate reality that someone lives for the duration of the game. My friend, for example, would live an alternate reality for weeks (if not months?) at a time.

Of the millions of people who play this particular game, how many enter a reality that isn't based on the spiritual reality of the Kingdom of God? Anything other than that is consulting mediums, imo. It opens the player up to a world of spirits and magic that isn't an accurate biblical reality. Over time this could seriously lead them astray as it did with my friend.

So what it "could" be doesn't matter....what it "is" does.

[Guest]

Think of it this way - would you want your girlfriend/wife to create a fantasy boyfriend/husband that her fantasy self trusts in?

ooohhhh....

very good, indeed!

to neb:

why not? it's not real. like I said, it's fantasy.

Adultry?

Of The Mind?

Isn't That Called Porn!

As Most Things On Earth These Days, The Thing About Fantasy Games Is They May Pull Our Eyes Away From Jesus.

"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." Philippians 4:8

And As Brother Yod Stated, Meditating On Them Could And Has Lead Many Into Demomic Harms-Way.

Want Romance? Read Ruth

Want Wild Adventure? Read Judges

Want To Travel Back In Time? Read Genesis

Want To Look Into Tomorrow? Read Revelations

Hint! The LORD Jesus Is The Center Of Each Story~!

[WillingToDie]

IMHO, what's important what exactly does it glorify? Wether or not it's fantasy makes no difference.

It doesn't glorify anything, in particular. It's a game.

to neb:

why not? it's not real. like I said, it's fantasy.

When Yeshua "fulfills" the law, He gives it "fuller meaning"

In Matthew 5:27-29, He clearly takes the letter of the law and shows the intent of the Torah to be one of judging the heart. In this dissertation, Yeshua shows that our thought life becomes even more important than our behavior because it reveals the true motives of our heart.

If we lust over other lovers, that would be fantasy. According to the Lord that isn't simply "harmless". It would be better to go through life with an eye removed apparently....and that sounds serious.

If one plays an RPG and they create a role that enhances understanding of the spiritual reality of the One true God I wouldn't see a problem with that.

Anything else seems like sorcery to me. God has some serious things to say about that also...

Think of it this way - would you want your girlfriend/wife to create a fantasy boyfriend/husband that her fantasy self trusts in?

ooohhhh....

very good, indeed!

to neb:

why not? it's not real. like I said, it's fantasy.

Adultry?

Of The Mind?

Isn't That Called Porn!

As Most Things On Earth These Days, The Thing About Fantasy Games Is They May Pull Our Eyes Away From Jesus.

"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." Philippians 4:8

And As Brother Yod Stated, Meditating On Them Could And Has Lead Many Into Demomic Harms-Way.

Want Romance? Read Ruth

Want Wild Adventure? Read Judges

Want To Travel Back In Time? Read Genesis

Want To Look Into Tomorrow? Read Revelations

Hint! The LORD Jesus Is The Center Of Each Story~!

There's a difference between lusting after a woman and pretending in a game. When you lust after a woman, you actually want to...do things with her. When you're playing a game, it's just that, it's a game. It doesn't mean you want to go out and use your level 3 fire spell on a goblin, or dress up like a barbarian and go around attacking people. It's like playing cowboys and indans: just because you're pretending to be a cowboy doesn't mean you really want to go and kill some Native Americans.

This seems like a good teaching tool (and kinda fun) at first glance.

D&D seems like something else. It seems to be individuals taking on roles of unearthly (and therefore supernatural) characters who manipulate other characters with magical spells.

It that not remotely accurate?

No. Not even remotely. There are spells to manipulate other characters but they're neither evil nor required to play the game. Likewise there are spells to kill other characters where they stand, raise the dead or change the entire world on a whim, but they're also not necessary to play the game.

Yes, you take on an alternate identity - that's what role-playing means - and yes, they're fantasty characters. Knights, thieves, elves, dwarves, and yes, wizards. it's no more evil or witchcraft than reading a Dennis Wheatley novel.

I actually thought the witchcraft delusion was over...

What you describe seems like it could be harmless if its a game that one plays on a board...but when it's a role playing game it creates an alternate reality that someone lives for the duration of the game. My friend, for example, would live an alternate reality for weeks (if not months?) at a time.

Of the millions of people who play this particular game, how many enter a reality that isn't based on the spiritual reality of the Kingdom of God? Anything other than that is consulting mediums, imo. It opens the player up to a world of spirits and magic that isn't an accurate biblical reality. Over time this could seriously lead them astray as it did with my friend.

So what it "could" be doesn't matter....what it "is" does.

Your friend is a special case. Some people don't like their lives, ans therefore use their hobbies as a means of escape. Sometimes, if that hobby happens to be roleplaying, they allow themselves to be absorbed into that world. Again, that is a special case. Like I said, i had many friends in High School who played D&D and its derivatives, and none of them were ever "drawn into an alternate reality". It was jut a game to them.

[XianGothDude]

Thank you WillingToDie I wanted to respond but couldn't find the right words; RPGs don't really "glorify" anything in particular, I think that word gets thrown around all too often and we try to attach alternate or even negative or evil intentions to something and this just simply isn't the case, it is SOME of the time I'm not denying that RPGs CAN be a danger (but everything can be if we let them and if we give them power over us.). In America we have a severe problem with idolatry so please don't just attack RPGs for this alone and only (I can think of alot of other things we make our idols). I can't think of anything more to add to this post.

[Emily~Anne]

IMHO, what's important what exactly does it glorify? Wether or not it's fantasy makes no difference.

It doesn't glorify anything, in particular. It's a game.

Just because it's a game doesn't mean it can't glorify anything. A game can glorify things. So is your opinion that it doesnt glorify anything simply on the fact that it is a game, or that it really is possible to play the game without glorifying anything contrary to God's word?

[WillingToDie]

IMHO, what's important what exactly does it glorify? Wether or not it's fantasy makes no difference.

It doesn't glorify anything, in particular. It's a game.

Just because it's a game doesn't mean it can't glorify anything. A game can glorify things. So is your opinion that it doesnt glorify anything simply on the fact that it is a game, or that it really is possible to play the game without glorifying anything contrary to God's word?

The second one, mostly.

[XianGothDude]

Okay then; then they'res SWRPG (Spiritual Warfare: The RPG), it glorifies God

[eagleswings]

that game was pure witchcraft.

I pray that he saw the light before going into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth....and it isn't a game.

Amen and Amen, You Preach it!!!!!!!!!! may all whom have ears hear............

[David of Derby]

What you describe seems like it could be harmless if its a game that one plays on a board...but when it's a role playing game it creates an alternate reality that someone lives for the duration of the game. My friend, for example, would live an alternate reality for weeks (if not months?) at a time.

Of the millions of people who play this particular game, how many enter a reality that isn't based on the spiritual reality of the Kingdom of God? Anything other than that is consulting mediums, imo. It opens the player up to a world of spirits and magic that isn't an accurate biblical reality. Over time this could seriously lead them astray as it did with my friend.

So what it "could" be doesn't matter....what it "is" does.

It's a game. It's not real. Millions play it every day and suffer no ill-effects. Just like Harry Potter, horror films and Star Wars. They're not sitting playing with a Ouija Board or chanting Satanic hymns. It's totally, completely benign.

[XianGothDude]

I believe personally to say its "benign" is to ignore the face that SOME have weakness to certain things, etc. I'm not gonna say role-playing is completely "okay" but if I may pose a question is it just D&D all of you are opossed to? (I agree with you there) or Role-playing in general?