"spiritual identification"

[OneLight]

I believe the devil does in fact repeat history. He doesn't care if we're watching. All he cares about are the ones who aren't.

Those are his targets. Just because someone calls themself a christian, doesn't mean that person is watching.

The devil is doomed to an unspeakable nightmare in eternity. He knows that. He knows he doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of ever winning this battle, so he's gonna take as many as he can with him.

2 Corinthians 11

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.

14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

The devil is out there preaching the word.....twisting the scriptures....molding it into an abomination that is pleasant to the ears. He knows exactly what he's doing and he's doing it well.

He talked Eve into eating that fruit.....Peter walked with Christ and knew who He was and the devil still got Peter to deny Him.

The devil doesn't need to sneak in through the back door. The front door has been left wide open and he is allowed to mingle amongst us.

What we see in the churches today will be nothing compared to what is coming. The scripture you used states that Satan transformed himself into an angle of light ... sneaking the back door. If it were the front door, he would not have to disguise himself, but be blunt.

Do you really believe that if people knew that they were worshiping Satan, that they would do so? OK ... some may, but the major majority would not. Everything he does is based from a lie, deceiving as many as he can. Sure, he will use some of the same old tactics, but that's all he will do. This is his next to the last stand and he is going to cause as much harm to as many as he can.

[Guest man]

What we see in the churches today will be nothing compared to what is coming. The scripture you used states that Satan transformed himself into an angle of light ... sneaking the back door. If it were the front door, he would not have to disguise himself, but be blunt.

If he's pretending to be an angel of light, he doesn't need to use the back door. He is welcomed.

Millions of people flock to his services every week. Billions of dollars are spent each year to help him spread his lies. Billions of dollars that come from the people that listen to his lies.

Those lies are going to play a major role in the times just before the Second Coming.

2 Thess. 2

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

What do you think it would be that would cause someone to believe that it was actually God sitting in the temple?

Now remember what Christ said....."to decieve if possible, even the elect".

What would be so convincing that it would cause an entire planet to sit up and take notice?

Something to think about.

[OneLight]

What we see in the churches today will be nothing compared to what is coming. The scripture you used states that Satan transformed himself into an angle of light ... sneaking the back door. If it were the front door, he would not have to disguise himself, but be blunt.

If he's pretending to be an angel of light, he doesn't need to use the back door. He is welcomed.

Millions of people flock to his services every week. Billions of dollars are spent each year to help him spread his lies. Billions of dollars that come from the people that listen to his lies.

Those lies are going to play a major role in the times just before the Second Coming.

2 Thess. 2

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

What do you think it would be that would cause someone to believe that it was actually God sitting in the temple?

Now remember what Christ said....."to decieve if possible, even the elect".

What would be so convincing that it would cause an entire planet to sit up and take notice?

Something to think about.

Are you saying that todays church is the one world church and that the lies preached is the anti-christ preaching, showing himself to be God? I would have to disagree, for the abomination of desolation is not what you mentioned above. This will happen at the mid-point of the 7 year tribulation. The first 3 1/2 years will be ushered in by peace. After the abomination of desolation occurs, then peace will be removed and the Great Tribulation will begin. These happenings will cause the world to take notice.

Now, lets look at the passage you mentioned.

Matthew 24:24 or Mark 13:22

For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Many will be deceived, but only those who have fallen away. Since we have the Holy Spirit, it is impossible to be deceived. He will lead us in all truth and convict us if the though even enters our mind.

Let me try and explain again what I meant by the back door. You said "If he's pretending to be an angel of light, he doesn't need to use the back door. He is welcomed." In my last post, I said that he enters by deception. To me, this is the back door. The front door, to me, is admitting who he is up front. We disagree on my terminology.

Now, I agree that todays churches, the ones that do not follow the word of God, are, indeed, being used to deceive the weak into believing that they are following God, when, in fact, they are following a lie. The father of all lies is Satan. Because of this, the word Jesus spoke will come true. the falling away, which must happen before He returns.

[Richard_yaash]

okay first of all the antichrist and the beast are not the same thing. The antichrist is a spirit of the enemy that works against God-hence antichrist is anything that is in emnity with God is antichrist-which can be the enemy of the flesh or the enemy called the Devil....so as in 1 John there are even now many antichrists among us today...

Agreed.

it is the beast who we will be seeing at the end of day and I do not believe the beast is an individual but a religion...since this is probably the case it will have to be a religion that has always hated Christians and Jews. There will be ways that this religion manages to mark its followers and it will be no less than any other religion that has tried to convert Christians to their beliefs, by torture until they fold or die...bottom line, we will be seeing the end of the holiest holy war which we live today yet have not had much of a taste of yet, but will and I believe very soon.

Do not forget the 'woman'.

I see the 'beast' as a nation/power/authority. The 'woman' rides this 'beast'.

it will be as simple as being forced to wear certain clothing that marks them as faithful followers of the beast....

Yes it could be that simple. But too obvious IMO.

but not to be pointing in the direction of the beast but as a way of diverting the attention while the beast himself is setting up the sheep for the slaughter....

And perhaps already is...

Something that I think... <snip> ... I am talking of another religion that intends to wipe out any who believe in Christ and remove Him literally from the face of the earth.

I agree with the gist of what you are saying. I also clearly see to whom you refer. Though I disagree it will be the one to whom you refer. There are many amoung our own who wish to wipe that one from the face of the earth also.

The tribulation period has begun....began a long time back for many places and has only recently reached the coast of these United States

Perhaps, perhaps not.

these truly are the days folks and it truly is the time to know the Shephards voice.....

Amen

[Richard_yaash]

Are you my brother?

In recent years, I have noticed a line being drawn, and it is being drawn hard. If you and I were to be upon opposite sides of that line, would you hand me over?

To answer your question ... NO!

No, you are not my brother or no you would not hand me over

Sorry, couldn't help it. I do know you are referring unto the latter question. At least I hope so.

To be on opposite sides, you would have to belong the the unsaved, and then God would be dealing with you, not me.

Can you answer mine? Can you also explain more about the hard line being draws? I'd really like to hear more on this.

If I may: There was this little church down near Fresno, I was asked to preside over a wedding there. Due to some rather extenuating circumstances, I agree to do this thing. Now, this event was not favoured by those of that little church and I completely understood their position/stance and the reasons therefore. I also understood the circumstances/constraints of the couple. I drove down every week for weeks, spent time speaking with the couple in person as well as via email correspondence. I even went so far as to write and choreograph the service and provide the necessary items with which to do so.

The service went well. Many thanks were given, some even commenting upon how they really saw and felt His Spirit within me [Forgive me for that, but it is necessary to make my point].

Later, one of my own peculiar beliefs came to light. I was instantly judged as being 'not a christian', as being 'unsaved' amoung other things. Now, be that what it will.

Yet I gently asked them: Was it not you who stated that you saw and felt His Spirit within me? So how can you now state that I am unsaved, that I am not a Christian?

They were never able to answer...

[jenwat3]

What is the one thing, though, that would set Christians apart, and make them unable to buy or sell? Possibly even be unable to hold a job, since they would have no money to buy, or be unable to sell anything?

That is indeed the question Jenwat. There are some possibilities...

Any particular ideas, Richard? I have my own theory, but what is yours? Pm if you don't want to post out loud.

[Guest man]

Are you saying that todays church is the one world church and that the lies preached is the anti-christ preaching, showing himself to be God?

No.

What I'm saying is that the church is being prepared for the unveiling of the beast. The word of God is being twisted and watered down to the point where the scriptures are of no affect. The Word of God is being ignored and no one seems to care.

We are witnessing the beginning of the falling away. Christ said, "And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold." We are seeing that in the church today. Lesbian ministers, homosexual priests, denominations that deny the sovereignty of Christ, idol worship, etc.

Christians are accepting these things and following right along without question.

Front door, back door, it doesn't matter........the devil is behind the pulpit.....and he's smiling.

[OneLight]

Then you may agree with this passage.

2 Timothy 3:1-9

Perilous Times and Perilous Men

But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.

Is that which is in bold how you see some churches of today, but definitely, not all. A lot of denominations believe that the power of His Spirit ended with the Apostles. These, we are told to turn away from. Do you agree?

[Richard_yaash]

Yes it was in that which I quoted. Just as I do not believe everyone that calls themselves a 'christian' has the Ruakh haQodesh. On both sides of the issue, those in positions of authority will 'know' one another.

I agree. Maybe I'm not explaining myself clearly enough. When it comes to buying and selling, holding jobs and just plain living, those in authority are not the ones that we will be dealing with. They will not be hiring you, nor checking you out at the grocery store. These will be plain civilians that are following the enemy and they will need a way to know if you are of the beast or not, hence, the mark,or as I believe it will be, the chip. Those who are of God will not allow a chip to be placed in them to be scanned, only those who follow the beast. That is how they will tell us apart.

Assuming for a moment it is a chip. It will not be the civilians whom we would be dealing with. It would be a data base. A data base compiled, put into place and enforced by those in authority. These plain civilians would also be under threat, if they did not uphold these things. IMO: In many instances these plain civilians will even be sympathetic, lending assistance.

In this scenario: Without a chip, there will be no buying, selling, or even holding a job. That is assuming this plan is ever put into effect. If it ever is, it would be put into place due to the outcry of "Peace and Safety". This could also apply under that which Jackie presented.

For myself, I do not see it as this yet. I am too far removed from study in this area, nor would I consider myself to have been strong in this area to begin with.

What I do see as the biggest threat: Is from within.

Micah 7:5 Do not trust a neighbor; put no confidence in a friend. Even with her who lies in your embrace be careful of your words. 6 For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -- a man

[OneLight]

Yes it was in that which I quoted. Just as I do not believe everyone that calls themselves a 'christian' has the Ruakh haQodesh. On both sides of the issue, those in positions of authority will 'know' one another.

I agree. Maybe I'm not explaining myself clearly enough. When it comes to buying and selling, holding jobs and just plain living, those in authority are not the ones that we will be dealing with. They will not be hiring you, nor checking you out at the grocery store. These will be plain civilians that are following the enemy and they will need a way to know if you are of the beast or not, hence, the mark,or as I believe it will be, the chip. Those who are of God will not allow a chip to be placed in them to be scanned, only those who follow the beast. That is how they will tell us apart.

Assuming for a moment it is a chip. It will not be the civilians whom we would be dealing with. It would be a data base. A data base compiled, put into place and enforced by those in authority. These plain civilians would also be under threat, if they did not uphold these things. IMO: In many instances these plain civilians will even be sympathetic, lending assistance.

In this scenario: Without a chip, there will be no buying, selling, or even holding a job. That is assuming this plan is ever put into effect. If it ever is, it would be put into place due to the outcry of "Peace and Safety". This could also apply under that which Jackie presented.

For myself, I do not see it as this yet. I am too far removed from study in this area, nor would I consider myself to have been strong in this area to begin with.

What I do see as the biggest threat: Is from within.

Micah 7:5 Do not trust a neighbor; put no confidence in a friend. Even with her who lies in your embrace be careful of your words. 6 For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -- a man