Question regarding age of universe & light from distant stars

[heresyhunter]

Of course things are old. God created the earth and then chilled out before the next 6 days. It also says in the Bible that time is irrelevent to the lord. Now the subject of life is a totally different issue. 6-8 thousand years. Evolution: No Way. Adaptation yes. And adaptations take only about a 100 generations to be noticable (and guess what, a generation for a dog or cat is like a few years)

I agree that evolution has not occurred. However, life has been on this planet for far longer than 6-8 thousand years. There are lake varves that date back 40,000 + years.

[mikeinsarasota]

...adaptations take only about a 100 generations to be noticable (and guess what, a generation for a dog or cat is like a few years)

This is a joke, right?

[Guest]

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God;

that ye may know that ye have eternal life,

and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:11-13

This is a joke, right?

Judge Judy! Right?

A Few Questions For mikeinsarasota And heresyhunter

What Do You Think Of Jesus Of Nazareth?

What Did You Do About Him?

What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? Matthew 22:44

Is This True?

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18

Hay!

God Journaled The Beginnings For Us

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Genesis 1:14-19

The Same God Who So Loved

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

And He Is Worthy

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:11

To Be Believed

Believe And Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING OF THE JEWS

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Come Quickly LORD Jesus, Come Quickly

Love, Your Brother Joe

[heresyhunter]

FresnoJoe, are you capable of staying on topic, or must every post be an off-topic rant?

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God;

that ye may know that ye have eternal life,

and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:11-13

This is a joke, right?

Judge Judy! Right?

A Few Questions For mikeinsarasota And heresyhunter

What Do You Think Of Jesus Of Nazareth?

What Did You Do About Him?

What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? Matthew 22:44

Is This True?

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18

Hay!

God Journaled The Beginnings For Us

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Genesis 1:14-19

The Same God Who So Loved

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

And He Is Worthy

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:11

To Be Believed

Believe And Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING OF THE JEWS

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Come Quickly LORD Jesus, Come Quickly

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Gerioke]

However I would say that a lot of scientific deduction is based on assumption.

Assumptions are a neccessary part of human reasoning.

How reliable is logic in an illogical world?

As reliable as 2+2=4. Do you really devalue logic as much as you say you do?

2 dogs + 2 days = ?

What's the square root of -2. If memory serves me correct, it is a letter J?. Logic is inconsistant as weather.

[heresyhunter]

What's the square root of -2. If memory serves me correct, it is a letter J?. Logic is inconsistant as weather.

You're a hoot. No wonder you're not taken seriously here.

[Gerioke]

What's the square root of -2. If memory serves me correct, it is a letter J?. Logic is inconsistant as weather.

You're a hoot. No wonder you're not taken seriously here.

Was that meant as an insult? There are too many here that take themselves too seriously. So busy trying to figure out the meaning of life that it goes by without notice.

[heresyhunter]

Was that meant as an insult?

Not at all. It's just my observation.

[hr.jr.]

Of course things are old. God created the earth and then chilled out before the next 6 days. It also says in the Bible that time is irrelevent to the lord. Now the subject of life is a totally different issue. 6-8 thousand years. Evolution: No Way. Adaptation yes. And adaptations take only about a 100 generations to be noticable (and guess what, a generation for a dog or cat is like a few years)

I agree that evolution has not occurred. However, life has been on this planet for far longer than 6-8 thousand years. There are lake varves that date back 40,000 + years.

You must be careful when you use the term "evolution." Evolution has most definitely occurred. It occurs and has been observed in almost evey species of animal on planet Earth. However, evolution as a mechanism of creating a new distinct species, or Darwinian Origion of the Species, has never occurred.

[hr.jr.]

What Gerioke is doing is much like a man claiming that there are pink unicorns flying around the outer fringes of space and then demanding that we disprove his claim.

I'm not the one demanding evidence of things unseen.

I'm still waiting for either one of you to explain Joshua 10 using scientific evidence. Until then all your scientific evaluations are gobbledigook.

Unfortunately it can't be done without suspending many physical laws. If you'd like to know the physical consequences of the earth standing still, if even for a femtosecond, I can help you with that.

Do you believe the bible is truth?

I believe the Bible is absolute truth. What you fail to realize is that the vast majority of both Catholic and Protestant theologians believe in the old Earth model of Creation because it is clearly the only way to reconcile every passage in the Bible that deals with Creation. I posted a theological question earlier in this debate that was totally ignored. Why do young Earth Creationists absolutely refuse to admit that their position creates a time line that makes the rebellion of Satan impossible to place in 6 days. Satan was created by God as Lucifer on Day one of Creation. You can not place His creation any earlier than that. He rebelled and Ruled on the planet Earth. When did he do this? One can not fit this into the 6 literal day model of creation. If you go to the Genesis account and read it in Hebrew, you also see that the literal translation of "day" during the creation week can not be translated with certain meaning. "Yowm" does not mean 24 hour day. It can mean 24 hour day, but It does not by its own standing mean "24 hour day." It often means period of time. The evening and the morning most obviously refers to ending and beginning of a period. The term evening and morning was used on day 1. When were the sun and moon and stars and plantes made to divide the days and nights? Not day 1.

If the Bible plainly said that God created the Earth in 6, 24 hour days, and He did it 6,000 years ago; I would believe it no matter what science said. However, I came to the conclusion from scripture that the Earth is not 6000 years old. It is merely convenient that science confirms the fact. I have been told by people who regularly visit Israel and regularly study with and discuss issues with Rabbi's that Old Earth Creation is the universal belief within judaism. They all say that the young Earth model is strange and almost uncomprehensible to the theologians of Judaism.