are the endtimes in the news?

[dakota190]

if you just look at the first ten or so topic titles for this forum today (04-15-08) think about which ones are listed as endtime events in the description given in the Bible. you don't even have to read the topics themselves just the titles should jump out at you. then look at what is going on in the churches today. how much bad doctrine is being soaked up and adopted by the church as gospel, (a form of godliness yet denying God) the apostasy seems to be heavily upon us

did anyone forget to mention the food riots spreading across the globe?

not being a harbinger of doom, just leaving a few things to think about and draw your own conclusions.

[stan4257]

not being a harbinger of doom, just leaving a few things to think about and draw your own conclusions.

The coming of Jesus Christ is glory not gloom for those who abide in him, but what you say about the signs of that coming is right on.

I was only thinking a few minutes ago before reading your post that there is no need to be a Christian to read the signs that this world as we know it is into a vortex of crisis and collapse. The signs are obvious.

Recognising these signs I question my motives and behaviour even more urgently than in the past, and think of my children, wondering how little I talk about it with them so as not to worry them, and how much I should tell them so that they are prepared. Time is too short not to do something.

You are definitely not a harbinger of gloom, rather you are a person who has the intelligence and the eyes to see what others too wrapped up in their personal affairs do not see.

Thank you. You must have been listening to my thoughts, or me to yours.

[nebula]

I've been wondering that for a long time.

I've posted this before some time, but I'll share again. Note, these are just musings I've had, and I know people will have reasons to disagree, and that's fine. It's built on some premises, and you may disagree with these as well. That's OK. But at least let me share, and you may see if it fits or not to what you understand.

Premise 1: I've heard so many interpretations of Revelation that I've learned not to hold to tightly to any interpretation.

Premise 2: The general concensus is that the Great Tribulation lasts 7 years. But what if that is a misinterpretation? Therefore, there might not really be a clear-cut time frame for the entire Tribulation.

Premise 3: The interpretation of the Rider on the White Horse (1st seal) being the Anti-Christ never made sense to me, so I've always looked for alternate interpretations.

So, with that in mind...

The rider on the white horse is a "Conquerer bent on Conquest." Becuase it says he was given a bow but not bow and arrows have caused people to interpret a "peace" movement, but I wonder if "bow and arrow" is nothing more than an English expression? What if in Hebrew/Greek the bow implies arrows?

Gen. 48:22 - And to you, as one who is over your brothers, I give the ridge of land I took from the Amorites with my sword and my bow."

Hos. 1:7 - Yet I will show love to the house of Judah; and I will save them--not by bow, sword or battle, or by horses and horsemen, but by the Lord their God."

So, with that premise, the 4 Horsemen are:

1. The spirit of conquest

2. War

3. Famine

4. Death (by war, disease, plague)

Well, right now, the spirit of conquest is alive and well on the Earth in the form of what we call "Radical Islam" (of course, Muslim immagration in other nations has skyrocketed, and the Muslim influence is gaining ground, too).

The horse is white. White usually signifies purity or holiness.

Holy War? (Jihad?)

Was 9/11 the manifestation of the opening of the first seal? I don't know. But before 9/11, who gave much thought to Islam? Who knew of any Muslims? In the past 5-6 years, there's been a skyrocketing population of foreign Muslims just in my community college!

I could be wrong. Time will tell, I'm sure.

But it is interesting how gas prices (needed for transportation and other of our necessities to living) and food prices are skyrocketing all over the globe. Has this ever happened before? I don't have the means to know. Can someone check?

Well, it sure does make one think of the black horse at any rate.

And that is my ponderings.

[OneLight]

God bring back to our remembrance what He has told us when we need to know. Do not feel alone when you are thinking of these times. I am sure that God is telling His people that He will be here SOON!

[Guest]

Even So Come Quickly LORD Jesus

[ALTACALL]

Even So Come Quickly LORD Jesus

This topic is very interesting for comments.

all the signs of end times have been going on for nearly 2,000 years if you look at history.

Wars have abounded everywhere, famine has always been here somewhere and dozens of men have been deemed the anti-christ, from the pope to Hitler.

When the end time does manifest itself most won't even know it because they will be pagans here not christians, remember the rapture? So be like the wise virgins and stop worrying.

[Guest]

Amen!

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Revelation 22:20

[dakota190]

I've been wondering that for a long time.

I've posted this before some time, but I'll share again. Note, these are just musings I've had, and I know people will have reasons to disagree, and that's fine. It's built on some premises, and you may disagree with these as well. That's OK. But at least let me share, and you may see if it fits or not to what you understand.

Premise 1: I've heard so many interpretations of Revelation that I've learned not to hold to tightly to any interpretation.

Premise 2: The general concensus is that the Great Tribulation lasts 7 years. But what if that is a misinterpretation? Therefore, there might not really be a clear-cut time frame for the entire Tribulation.

Premise 3: The interpretation of the Rider on the White Horse (1st seal) being the Anti-Christ never made sense to me, so I've always looked for alternate interpretations.

So, with that in mind...

The rider on the white horse is a "Conquerer bent on Conquest." Becuase it says he was given a bow but not bow and arrows have caused people to interpret a "peace" movement, but I wonder if "bow and arrow" is nothing more than an English expression? What if in Hebrew/Greek the bow implies arrows?

Gen. 48:22 - And to you, as one who is over your brothers, I give the ridge of land I took from the Amorites with my sword and my bow."

Hos. 1:7 - Yet I will show love to the house of Judah; and I will save them--not by bow, sword or battle, or by horses and horsemen, but by the Lord their God."

So, with that premise, the 4 Horsemen are:

1. The spirit of conquest

2. War

3. Famine

4. Death (by war, disease, plague)

Well, right now, the spirit of conquest is alive and well on the Earth in the form of what we call "Radical Islam" (of course, Muslim immagration in other nations has skyrocketed, and the Muslim influence is gaining ground, too).

The horse is white. White usually signifies purity or holiness.

Holy War? (Jihad?)

Was 9/11 the manifestation of the opening of the first seal? I don't know. But before 9/11, who gave much thought to Islam? Who knew of any Muslims? In the past 5-6 years, there's been a skyrocketing population of foreign Muslims just in my community college!

I could be wrong. Time will tell, I'm sure.

But it is interesting how gas prices (needed for transportation and other of our necessities to living) and food prices are skyrocketing all over the globe. Has this ever happened before? I don't have the means to know. Can someone check?

Well, it sure does make one think of the black horse at any rate.

And that is my ponderings.

while i might not agree with all that you said, i won't try to shout down any of it either. you made a lot of good points and the rest is worthy of study.

[dakota190]

altacall, believe me i have not posted in fear, but rather as a recognition of what appears to me to be more signs at any one intersection in time than ever before. what you said about these types of things occuring for 2000 years and all of the folks that have been called the anti-christ is true, but it still seems things are lining up as never before and at a rate that far exceeds anything ever recorded.

it is in anticipation of the coming of my Lord and not a fear of the end that i watch the sky!

[ALTACALL]

I've been wondering that for a long time.

I've posted this before some time, but I'll share again. Note, these are just musings I've had, and I know people will have reasons to disagree, and that's fine. It's built on some premises, and you may disagree with these as well. That's OK. But at least let me share, and you may see if it fits or not to what you understand.

Premise 1: I've heard so many interpretations of Revelation that I've learned not to hold to tightly to any interpretation.

Premise 2: The general concensus is that the Great Tribulation lasts 7 years. But what if that is a misinterpretation? Therefore, there might not really be a clear-cut time frame for the entire Tribulation.

Premise 3: The interpretation of the Rider on the White Horse (1st seal) being the Anti-Christ never made sense to me, so I've always looked for alternate interpretations.

So, with that in mind...

The rider on the white horse is a "Conquerer bent on Conquest." Becuase it says he was given a bow but not bow and arrows have caused people to interpret a "peace" movement, but I wonder if "bow and arrow" is nothing more than an English expression? What if in Hebrew/Greek the bow implies arrows?

Gen. 48:22 - And to you, as one who is over your brothers, I give the ridge of land I took from the Amorites with my sword and my bow."

Hos. 1:7 - Yet I will show love to the house of Judah; and I will save them--not by bow, sword or battle, or by horses and horsemen, but by the Lord their God."

So, with that premise, the 4 Horsemen are:

1. The spirit of conquest

2. War

3. Famine

4. Death (by war, disease, plague)

Well, right now, the spirit of conquest is alive and well on the Earth in the form of what we call "Radical Islam" (of course, Muslim immagration in other nations has skyrocketed, and the Muslim influence is gaining ground, too).

The horse is white. White usually signifies purity or holiness.

Holy War? (Jihad?)

Was 9/11 the manifestation of the opening of the first seal? I don't know. But before 9/11, who gave much thought to Islam? Who knew of any Muslims? In the past 5-6 years, there's been a skyrocketing population of foreign Muslims just in my community college!

I could be wrong. Time will tell, I'm sure.

But it is interesting how gas prices (needed for transportation and other of our necessities to living) and food prices are skyrocketing all over the globe. Has this ever happened before? I don't have the means to know. Can someone check?

Well, it sure does make one think of the black horse at any rate.

And that is my ponderings.

The white horse symblizes peace which is how the anti-christ decieves the world that he is the second coming of Christ