is marrying off 15yr olds and multiple wifes a big deal?

[Ovedya]

ok that was me asking?

Either way.

[Guest LadyC]

heythere, yes, i'm aware that california is trying to make it illegal. that's irrelevant. it IS still legal there, and no other state is trying to pass laws against it.

why is it sad that EXTREME modesty is not common? modesty should be common, but extreme modesty, such as what the FLDS girls are required to wear, is... well... extreme.

i agree that modesty is more common among conservatives. that's not a bad thing. extreme modesty though, is not common among conservatives at all.

i think homeschooling is probably more common among conservatives, but certainly not limited to them.

the vaccinations issue though, i don't believe that has anything to do with conservatism. it has more to do with acknowledging the risks, and anyone who has known a child to go autistic as a result of immunizations is going to be very likely to object to them. i've never met a person who refused to have their children immunized because they were conservative. never. i've known some conservatives that refused, and i've known some liberals who have refused, but their moral values had nothing at all to do with their decision.

you think it's crazy that a parent would have any say in who their child marries. i think that's crazy. have you got grown children? if you do, then you know that while you are entitled to voice your opinion of your child's future mate, you do not have the right to dictate who they marry. if you have raised your child the way God has directed you to do, then you have raised your child to make responsible decisions, or to accept the consequences of their irresponsible ones. under no circumstance should a parent ever have any authority regarding who their adult children marry.

[Guest LadyC]

let me revise that statement... a parent should only have authority over who a child marries IF the child is under-age.

[HeyThere]

ok! Well what I was really asking for were biblical reasons that it is so bad for 15yr olds to marry and that it is bad to have multiple wives!!!???????

Either you are VERY young in the Lord, don't read much or need a great deal of bible study to ask a question like that.

That is an opinion, not a biblical verse showing a reason...

Heather,

Do you agree that it is acceptable in our culture to wed children and bear children by them?

Do you agree or disagree that Christians should be obedient to the laws of man?

Your husband's post implies that all things are permissible that are not specifically addressed in the Bible. However, suicide is not addressed, drug usage is not addressed, pornography is not addressed, and prancing around in public in the nude is not addressed. So does that make it okay for Christians to do these things? I think that a reasonable, serious, and Scripturally versed Christian would not entertain such a ridiculous notion.

CHILDREN? No, but I think the age of adulthood is different for everyone.

As long as the laws of man do not go against the laws of God, then yes.

Now to address the rest of your post... ALL of those things are addressed in the bible. Suicide is murdering yourslef, murder is in the bible. Drug use... well your body is a temple of God and you are to keep it holy. Pornography... looking lustfully at another person... Prancing around public nude would fall into the modesty category. I believe it is ALL in there... I also do not like you implying that I or my husband are not reasonable, serious, and scripturally versed.

ok merin, tell me this.... if some 50 year old had the hots for your 13 year old daughter, do you really think that your daughter would be all hot for him in return? and whether she did or didn't (and that's highly unlikely!) would you make her marry the old guy? (or would you even encourage her to do so of her own accord?)

my daughters will marry who, when and how God tells us!!!!

What do you mean by " when God tells US? Are you having a part in the decision?

oh no I see where that could go....LOL

of course I will be apart of the desition... Who better than their daddy?

Will your children have any say?

Absolutely!! But to think that your child will just run off and get married without any council is ridiculous, IMO. Our children will not be raised that way.

[ALTACALL]

Well, this was the original question:

I am truly distressed at the taking apart of these families!!! If marring 15yr olds and having more than one wife is the worst thing going on there... Geez bring their families back together!!!! Please share with me the terriblness of these things because I guess j am missing something.

He said he must be missing something, and so we were explaining to him what he was missing.

and I thank you all!! I am learning so much...

Well Merin my initial thoughts were that you might be unteachable but I have at this point a higher regard for you and a very high regard for the members of the Worthy Board for their sincerety to explain the gravity of this whole picture to you. Kudos to all of you. I am only up to page 12 so I can only praise you all up to this point.

[Merin]

ok merin, tell me this.... if some 50 year old had the hots for your 13 year old daughter, do you really think that your daughter would be all hot for him in return? and whether she did or didn't (and that's highly unlikely!) would you make her marry the old guy? (or would you even encourage her to do so of her own accord?)

my daughters will marry who, when and how God tells us!!!!

What do you mean by " when God tells US? Are you having a part in the decision?

oh no I see where that could go....LOL

of course I will be apart of the desition... Who better than their daddy?

Will your children have any say?

yep that's where it was going...lol

actually only God will have a say hopfully...

[Merin]

let me revise that statement... a parent should only have authority over who a child marries IF the child is under-age.

lol

[Guest man]

CHILDREN? No, but I think the age of adulthood is different for everyone.

As long as the laws of man do not go against the laws of God, then yes.

So how do you determine the age of adulthood?

Is it legal to marry at the age of 15?

[ALTACALL]

Many of the men in this cult are simply perverts disguised as religious leaders. And the women are brainwashed and emotionally still teenagers themselves due to never being allowed to grow up within a healthy community that teaches true right and wrong. Instead, everything they've been fed has been cult teachings from their cult leaders.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the practices of the FLDS...however...I need to address this issue here.

These people are NOT simply perverts disguised as religious leaders. They are in this practice because of a religious doctrine they have been taught their entire lives. The greatly desire to go to heaven and rule as they have been taught by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. They take on poverty, temptation, and loveless marriages willingly in order to achieve celestial glory. The lifestyle they have chosen is not some orgy filled, sex fest that some would paint it to be. They hold fast to the truths of their gospel as it has been taught to them since 1830 (and more specifically, since 1890 when the FLDS was formed.) While I would agree with probably all of you that they are wrong, that their doctrines are garbage, and they need to be stopped...that opinion opens another can of worms.

It is amazing what this country allows to be called a religion.

[ALTACALL]

Many of the men in this cult are simply perverts disguised as religious leaders. And the women are brainwashed and emotionally still teenagers themselves due to never being allowed to grow up within a healthy community that teaches true right and wrong. Instead, everything they've been fed has been cult teachings from their cult leaders.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the practices of the FLDS...however...I need to address this issue here.

These people are NOT simply perverts disguised as religious leaders. They are in this practice because of a religious doctrine they have been taught their entire lives. The greatly desire to go to heaven and rule as they have been taught by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. They take on poverty, temptation, and loveless marriages willingly in order to achieve celestial glory. The lifestyle they have chosen is not some orgy filled, sex fest that some would paint it to be. They hold fast to the truths of their gospel as it has been taught to them since 1830 (and more specifically, since 1890 when the FLDS was formed.) While I would agree with probably all of you that they are wrong, that their doctrines are garbage, and they need to be stopped...that opinion opens another can of worms.

While your correct they are doing what has been taught to them...........THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE the child molestation, incest and the abuse of boys that goes on. I don't care WHAT they've been taught since the 1830's, celestial marriage isn't about marrying 12, 13 and 14 year old girls, and throwing your sons away. That little added spice to their "cult" is all fallen human nature and satan.

We need to remember that the Church of LDS started poligymy it does not practice it. It is splinter groups that refuse to give it up. Do not think I am a LDS or support it, I am merely pointing out a fact.