The Gospels and Paul

[exrockstar]

Who do you think He's talking too?

werent you the one that hears voices inside yourself?

so what is it telling you? and dont be doing no tongue-habakaukkauakkaka-shalamlalalal-leggo-my-eggo...just tell me in english

[EricH]

This is slipping. Please refrain from personal atttacks and stay on topic

Thanks

[Guest man]

Who do you think He's talking too?

werent you the one that hears voices inside yourself?

so what is it telling you? and dont be doing no tongue-habakaukkauakkaka-shalamlalalal-leggo-my-eggo...just tell me in english

Verses in Matthew 25:31 thru 40 were quoted and you responded with this question.

do you honestly think he's talking to those that helped the poor, etc?

You apparently see something other than the obvious, so I asked you "Who do you think He's talking too?".

It's not a difficult question.

You plainly see that He's talking to someone other than those who helped the poor....I just asked who.

Didn't mean to throw you for a loop there.

[BurnForChrist]

Who do you think He's talking too?

werent you the one that hears voices inside yourself?

so what is it telling you? and dont be doing no tongue-habakaukkauakkaka-shalamlalalal-leggo-my-eggo...just tell me in english

Verses in Matthew 25:31 thru 40 were quoted and you responded with this question.

do you honestly think he's talking to those that helped the poor, etc?

You apparently see something other than the obvious, so I asked you "Who do you think He's talking too?".

It's not a difficult question.

You plainly see that He's talking to someone other than those who helped the poor....I just asked who.

Didn't mean to throw you for a loop there.

If I may explain. The verses meaning isnt necesarily talking about feeding the poor, or visiting people in prison. Although we should do these things yes. The point the LORD is trying to make is that of loving the brethren as evidence of conversion. Matthew 25:40 "The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'"

During this time and even in places today if you go to a 3rd world prison as a Christian they scarecly feed you, mostly likely dont cloth you and hate you. So if you go to feed, clothe and help them you yourself will be targeted as a Christian risking your own life. Do you see what he means by this?

Ryan

[exrockstar]

You apparently see something other than the obvious, so I asked you "Who do you think He's talking too?".

It's not a difficult question.

You plainly see that He's talking to someone other than those who helped the poor....I just asked who.

Didn't mean to throw you for a loop there.

so you don't know? that's what youre saying?

[Guest man]

If I may explain. The verses meaning isnt necesarily talking about feeding the poor, or visiting people in prison. Although we should do these things yes. The point the LORD is trying to make is that of loving the brethren as evidence of conversion. Matthew 25:40 "The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'"

During this time and even in places today if you go to a 3rd world prison as a Christian they scarecly feed you, mostly likely dont cloth you and hate you. So if you go to feed, clothe and help them you yourself will be targeted as a Christian risking your own life. Do you see what he means by this?

Ryan

I understand that what those verses are saying. Treat your neighbor as yourself....do onto others as you would have them do onto you. Don't turn your back on your fellow man, regardless of their conditions.

Here is the question that exrockstar asked in reference to Matthew 25:31 thru 40.

do you honestly think he's talking to those that helped the poor, etc?

I believe He is addressing those who helped the poor.

exrockstar doesn't and I asked him who he thought the Lord was addressing.

Matthew 25

40 And the King will answer and say to them,

[Guest man]

You apparently see something other than the obvious, so I asked you "Who do you think He's talking too?".

It's not a difficult question.

You plainly see that He's talking to someone other than those who helped the poor....I just asked who.

Didn't mean to throw you for a loop there.

so you don't know? that's what youre saying?

It's a simple question......in english.

Who do "you" think He's talking too?

It's not that hard.....you either know or you don't.

I know who He's talking too......I don't think you do.

[Xan]

You apparently see something other than the obvious, so I asked you "Who do you think He's talking too?".

It's not a difficult question.

You plainly see that He's talking to someone other than those who helped the poor....I just asked who.

Didn't mean to throw you for a loop there.

so you don't know? that's what youre saying?

While I can respect a certain amount of game playing, it is not called for in a serious debate. If Man were able to read your mind and your interpretation of scripture, he wouldn't ask what you thought. Is there some issue you have with answering a simple question about your opinion?

[deut31:12]

You are absolutely correct, to a point. It is not that we just go around giving cups of soup to people to be righteous before God, but this act is part of a responsibility that God requires from us, and here is an example:

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. - Matthew 25:31-40

Interesting how we are right back on these verses. Even though this example is not the entire definition Christianity we see that it does play a major role in it. It seems that almost every time that the word works is mentioned people automatically jump into a mode of thinking that works is something based on what I do of myself and/or it is speaking things I do for people. James gave us great illustrations of what works are.

personally, i dont think you are seeing the fullness of this scripture. do you honestly think he's talking to those that helped the poor, etc?

let me ask you....can we conclude that you are a child of God?

Galatians 3:26

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

So why in the world would Christ say that you helped his "bretheren?" Youre missing the point on this passage and it's more than just "works."

put on your thinking cap. or be like these others that say...."youre splitting hairs...."

those people are a joke.

The point is that where I believe and uphold James where it says that faith without works is dead, you use every other scripture that just supports your belief in a faith only salvation. The only place where it has the words faith and only in the same verse is th one that says we are not saved by it. I could do the same that you are doing and just use the verses that mention works to support a works based belief, but that is not what I am doing. It takes both faith and works to please God. it is not by works a lone and it is not be faith alone. There are scriptures that mention we are saved by faith and others that say we are saved by works. One does not counteract the other. They are put in their proper places like James did.

The message that Jesus was trying to get across is that on judgment day the world will be divided by goats and sheep The goats are those who did not do what Jesus required for them to do. The sheep are those who did do what Jesus required for them to do. If you pay attention you will see that the goats went away into everlasting punishment: but the sheep/righteous into life eternal.

Now, if the sheep/righteous went into life eternal that would stand to reason that they were Christians we did what Jesus required for them to do.

Since they did what Jesus required for them to not only did they go to heaven, but they did a "work" that they were created unto and were ordained to do. They did this out of the faith that they had. It wasn't something of themselves. They weren't trying to work their way to heaven. They didn't take away from what Jesus did on the cross.

This passage of scriptures proved two things. One is that the righteous will stand before God and be judged with the unrighteous by the same things as the unrighteous. The other is that there are requirements, through the scriptures, that we are commanded to do that will have a direct impact on our walking through the Pearly Gates.

[exrockstar]

Since they did what Jesus required for them to not only did they go to heaven, but they did a "work" that they were created unto and were ordained to do. They did this out of the faith that they had. It wasn't something of themselves. They weren't trying to work their way to heaven. They didn't take away from what Jesus did on the cross.

This passage of scriptures proved two things. One is that the righteous will stand before God and be judged with the unrighteous by the same things as the unrighteous. The other is that there are requirements, through the scriptures, that we are commanded to do that will have a direct impact on our walking through the Pearly Gates.

im not disagreeing that there is a sense of works in those passages. im not saying it is works but there is

a sense of "you did x so i will do y...."

what i am asking is in the following passage:

Matthew 25

40 And the King will answer and say to them,