LIBERAL CHRISTIANS?

[Catsmeow]

Still, don't forget...we have some people who are very new to the faith and aren't too bright.

I'm married to one. It takes enormous patience to guide and direct them. Whenever my husband says he's a Democrat, I just cringe inside.

It's not easy living with a new believer. He should have shown more fruit by now but it's a real slow going.

I hope we can remember that people make bad judgements and poor choices.

God didn't come to save the healthy but the sick. My hubby is definitely in need of a Savior...and he knows that.

We shouldn't just write everyone off as lost just because they're grossly immature as believers.

There's a lot of infants who haven't reached any real level of maturity and they haven't produced much fruit as of yet.

We have to be patient. I know...God is teaching me this daily. He was patient with our many immature decisions and choices. He's been patient with our years of growth and struggle.

I think the name says it all...we are all a "Work in Progress" and while my own husband isn't for abortion and doesn't drink, et al...he has a lot of emotional baggage and yes, he's a Democrat (gag, choke)...

But that's life...and he needs time to grow in Christ. We just have to remember that many people are still "growing"...

Hi Cat. I'm not sure why you addressed all that to me. I pretty much just agreed with things already said. I agree with you too.

Sorry, I didn't address it to you. It's just that your name "Work in Progress" is exactly what we all are... I wasn't referring to you.

Your name is what we are (none of us have "arrived" yet)

...sorry about the confusion.

[Guest yod]

they don't

support prayer in school and want to take God out of the Constitution and

out of the Pledge of Allegiance.

these are political questions and not necessarily a good measuring stick.

For instance...in today's climate I don't support prayer in school.

They have government supported prayer in the schools of Iran.

But if your point is that liberals want to remove God from all public life then I agree. That is specifically what the "freedom of religion" clause is about.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings All,

It would be great if we lived in a "perfect world", but unfortunately we do not. One person mentioned that Clinton was bound to be elected (or words to that effect). I agree. But it wasn't because I voted for him. Once he was elected, I was devastated, so I went to the Lord about it, and he brought into mind when Saul became King. It wasn't God's choosing for the people to have a king, but He gave the people what THEY WANTED. From that time on Christians have been faced with a quandary. Either they choose to follow Saul or they choose to follow David - a man after God's own heart. But as we all know David too had a corruptible nature.

Today we are faced with a two party system, at least in the U.S. And the reason we must "choose" between these two is because they are the two largest blocks of voters out there. If we do not vote "for the lesser evil", that is we vote for the opposing party or for some other inconsequential party or person, or do not vote at all, then we are ACTIVELY supporting the OPPOSITION.

I would like very much to vote for a good solid Christian. One that I felt I could be assured of doing the Lord's will. But it ain't going to happen folks. The problem is the divisiveness that is in the block of voting Christians. IF we were able to come to agreement amongst ourselves as to abortion, et al, THEN perhaps we might have an effect.

As it stands, should I vote "for the little guy" who the Dems supposedly would help support? And with that take the responsibility for the murder of countless unborn babies? I really don't think so. I should end up as a pauper - to save even one of those unborn babies. That is how precious life is.

The Lord makes it plain that we should "leave room for God's wrath", and all I can do is cry out "How long Oh Lord!"

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest yod]

Amen

Preach it from the mountains, brother!

[jamie]

An uncopromising christian would be assinated if he were president!!

Edit: I agree with (some) of what you said Dad Ernie

I have no sentiment for the liberals.

Edited May 10, 2004 by jamie

[Catsmeow]

The Lord makes it plain that we should "leave room for God's wrath", and all I can do is cry out "How long Oh Lord!"

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

Your post is so right-on, DE...and I give that a - a big "thumbs up!"

[keslc]

If we had to chose our President according to all moral issues we might never be able to vote.

We end up choosing the lesser of two evils by default

That's exactly how I feel! Sometimes I feel like we have to choose a "lesser of 2 evils" too. I am not a very political person though.

[Guest LadyC]

Don't forget that the same "liberals" who the GOP media is making out to be anti-Christians are the ones who are fighting to protect your right to worship as you see fit. The fight is for CHOICE -- not taking stripping it away. In fact they are trying to give maintain the freedom to choose to worship or not worship as you see fit.

Of course CNN, MSNBC, FOX etc.... don't want you to see that. The corporate GOP puppeters who own and pull their strings of the 7 of the 10 Big Media Corps. are feeding you exactly what they want. Which is, for the moment, to vote Republican and fatten their growing wallets.

Anyone who says the Democrats are out to strip away your religious rights is a liar. Period.

the liberals are fighting for our right to worship? does that include freedom of expression of our faith?

sorry, i have to disagree. pick up a copy of david limbaugh's persecution, which cites court case after court case of the exact opposite.

and then just take a look at the causes the ACLU fights for, and which ones they won't touch with a ten foot pole.

i'm not talking about what i see on the news, i'm talking about documented legal cases. forget the media. liberal judges, liberal activists, and liberal legislators are stripping away christian rights one step at a time, not trying to protect our rights.

[Cerran]

LadyC do you at least have a link for the cases? Just curious as I would like to do some research on it.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings River,

Don't forget that the same "liberals" who the GOP media is making out to be anti-Christians are the ones who are fighting to protect your right to worship as you see fit. The fight is for CHOICE -- not taking stripping it away. In fact they are trying to give maintain the freedom to choose to worship or not worship as you see fit.

Of course CNN, MSNBC, FOX etc.... don't want you to see that. The corporate GOP puppeters who own and pull their strings of the 7 of the 10 Big Media Corps. are feeding you exactly what they want. Which is, for the moment, to vote Republican and fatten their growing wallets.

Anyone who says the Democrats are out to strip away your religious rights is a liar. Period.

Well, it is pretty obvious we know which side you are on! If you were to look at the voting records of the Republicans and Democrats, as well as the Supreme Court Judges, you would find Christians ALWAYS get the short end of the stick from Democrats.

This nation (the U.S.A.) was founded upon Christian principles, by mostly godly men, and their writings are still available everywhere for you to read.

To be truly FREE, as Christians, we know that we must be obedient to God. Yet the democrats would take prayer out of schools, the Ten Commandments from the court houses, exclude all Christian activity, yet condoning every other religion in the world including witchcraft and voodoo. The Dems are NOT out to support what is RIGHT. Democrats in power are in it for the money, for the prestige, and the power. Individually you are cared for not in the least. They would much rather have a caste system where the few rule and the wealth that is left over is spread around to all the peons, supposedly making everyone equal - EXCEPT THOSE IN POWER, that is.

Most Christians know these things. I just can't help but wonder why you think being free is only a matter of personal choice. IT IS, if the "right" choices are made. But if everyone should have the right to "make their own choice" all we have left is anarchy.

You can have your ecumenism, I want what God wants for this nation and this world.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie