Once saved always saved?

Ovedya · May 11, 2004

...but he was a Catholic and taught all kinds of things that you don't believe or hold to being a Protestant.

And the others you quoted were not Catholic?

That is a whole other topic!

I don't know when the Catholic church that we know today came into power. Certainly not in the 1st century, right?

I don't know. I simply don't know.

But I do know that I need to climb in bed now! Talk to you all tomorrow!

Oh, and let it be said:

I believe that each of you are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I love each of you and hope that we can discuss things as mature Christians and not resort to blasting each other.

We all are supposed to be learners, eager to be unified in the love of Christ.

Good night, all!

Amen, brother. Amen.

And...believe me, I'm scratching my head over that whole Catholic thing too. LOL (But don't tell our Catholic friends that). :oww: I think conservative historians have said somewhere between the 2nd & 3rd centuries. It certainly had a lot to do with the degradation Peter and John wrote about.

Khristeeanos · May 11, 2004

Ahah! But what is Christ's law, brother. That's the big "Q" in the New Testament. It can't be according to the law (ie. another outward law), but must be according to grace. Therefore, what is Romans 8:2 to you? Also, pretty much the rest of the chapter too.

Well, my opinion is that the Law of Christ is everything that Christ taught.

I believe that Romans 8:2 is talking about freedom FROM sin while we are here.

We don;t have to live a sinful, defeated lifestyle.

The version of grace that I understand is that we can live a pleasing and holy life TODAY because of the power of the Holy Spirit.

When we obey the commands of Christ by faith, we are taught by the Spirit to say no to sin.

Titus 2:11-14
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good works. (NASB)

Now I mean it this time......

GOOD NIGHT!!!!!

Khristeeanos · May 11, 2004

BTW: I got the PM. You might have to take that up with Georse. My apologies for not getting right back to you.

Who is GeorSe?

LOL!!!

OK, no problem. He did it before when I changed from justjake to endure4salvation.

And...believe me, I'm scratching my head over that whole Catholic thing too. LOL (But don't tell our Catholic friends that). I think conservative historians have said somewhere between the 2nd & 3rd centuries. It certainly had a lot to do with the degradation Peter and John wrote about.

From my understanding (which could be terribly wrong...) the Catholic church didn't "take over" until 300 AD or so. But I have no idea.

I must admit that some in the early church taught "real presence" and a few other doctrines that I may not agree with.

But I am not even Protestant, so it isn't that big of a deal to me.

nicholas · May 11, 2004

Hmmmm?

nicholas · May 11, 2004

Dimeministries

The early church taught many things that you probably don't agree with.

Ovedya · May 11, 2004

You're not a Protestant? You're Catholic, then? I'm confused....

Jacqueline · May 11, 2004

Okay, I'm going to show just how much I am a baby in Christ. Can someone please explain what OSAS means. :t: