Do you think that Satans can allow certain powers of Discernment?

[eric]

So I'll be the fly in the ointment. I don't believe satan has any power whatever. He has cunning and guile that he can fool gullible people into think he has power. A true believing born again christian has more power than satan and can use it to call on Jesus to rebuke him. Luke 10:19 Behold I have given you authority to tread on snakes and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy; and nothing by any means will hurt you. The devil can lie and deceive you if your faith isn't very strong.

James 4:7 Be subject therefore to God; but withstand the devil and he will flee from you. The sting was taken out of satan's tail at the cross. IMHO, of course.

So then my question still stands eric, If you allow satan in, and we all know from God's Word that we all do and we all have because God said that we all sin, "Do you think that because and when we sin that satan has power over those who allow him to live within them to possess them with certain powers; similar to how those who practice witchcraft feel they have certain powers. Many who carry their "crosses" throughout life , as in a person who goes back and forth into Pornography, or the alcoholic or drug addict who can't seem to completely shake the addiction. I understand that we are still speaking of possible Christians who are still living with one foot on God's side and one foot in satan's corner, but does satan still have power over them as long as they allow him access? Notice eric that on the one hand in your first sentence you noted that satan has no power whatsoever. Then you went on to say that a Full abiding Christian as MORE POWER than satan. Does that not infer that satan DOES have some power?

Firstly, I never let satan in. When I err, it's my own fault, satan doesn't trap me. I know right from wrong, but I still mess up occasiomally, but has got nothing to do with the devil. I blame myself. People are always blaming satan. I have the same victory as Jesus has, the vitory over satan sin and death. I am not sinless, no more than anyone else.

Are you trying to tell me that if a man jumps the fence and visits his neighbour for a little on the side, that satan is the cause of it. If he is a true b/a christian, committed to following Jesus, he wouldn't even think about it.

My last statement is not cnotradictory. I said that satan has no pwer. period. If satan has power, then Jesus died in vain. If you can't resist looking at porn, don't blame satan, blame your own weakness. One of my favourite verses.......I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me.

[Guest]

Nasty

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44

Eater

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 1 Peter 5:8

Of Dust

And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: Genesis 3:14

Is Stomped

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Genesis 3:15

By His Creator

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

Our LORD And Savior

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:17-18

Jesus Of Nazareth

The Christ

Amen

[glorywatch]

Satan can tempt us just as he did with Jesus in the desert. Satan offers us materialism and power if we will bow down and worship him, but we can resist the temptation the same as Jesus did. Satans has no creative powers or no powers to "make" us do anything. He can tempt us, but we also have the power to resist if we stand on the Word. Sin is what blinds us to the truth. Not Satan. Satan exploits whatever weakness we have, if we let him. Jesus clearly demonstrated the importance and effectiveness of knowing and applying Scripture to combat temptation. (Matthew 4:1-11)

[EricH]

Yes, he does have power.

[eric]

Yes, he does have power.

I have to agree with glorywatch. satan didn't have any power over Job. God had the power and He authorised satan to do with Job what he desired, But only up to a certain point. The devil certainly didn't have power over Jesus in the desert.

1 Pet.5:8, says, be sober; watch. Your adversary, the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about seeking for someone to devour. Satan has no power to make you follow him or fall for his lies, he uses his charm and lures those without the faith to resist. He may tempt you, but in 1 C0r.10:13 Jesus said that he will alloow you to be tested, or tempted, beyond what you are able to endure. Satan is like a toothless pitbull. He can't bite, maybe give you a good suck. I would like to see a scripture that says satan has power.

[Guest man]

2 Corinthians 11

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Scripture is one of the devils most effective weapons.

All he has to do is get you to believe a lie and before you know it, you're one of his ministers.

[MeCajunboy]

So I'll be the fly in the ointment. I don't believe satan has any power whatever. He has cunning and guile that he can fool gullible people into think he has power. A true believing born again christian has more power than satan and can use it to call on Jesus to rebuke him. Luke 10:19 Behold I have given you authority to tread on snakes and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy; and nothing by any means will hurt you. The devil can lie and deceive you if your faith isn't very strong.

James 4:7 Be subject therefore to God; but withstand the devil and he will flee from you. The sting was taken out of satan's tail at the cross. IMHO, of course.

So then my question still stands eric, If you allow satan in, and we all know from God's Word that we all do and we all have because God said that we all sin, "Do you think that because and when we sin that satan has power over those who allow him to live within them to possess them with certain powers; similar to how those who practice witchcraft feel they have certain powers. Many who carry their "crosses" throughout life , as in a person who goes back and forth into Pornography, or the alcoholic or drug addict who can't seem to completely shake the addiction. I understand that we are still speaking of possible Christians who are still living with one foot on God's side and one foot in satan's corner, but does satan still have power over them as long as they allow him access? Notice eric that on the one hand in your first sentence you noted that satan has no power whatsoever. Then you went on to say that a Full abiding Christian as MORE POWER than satan. Does that not infer that satan DOES have some power?

So, you're saying that you're the only one who knows right from wrong Eric?? Not sure what you're trying to say? You sound as though you believe that satan is never attacking you or tricking you? Is that possible? How do you know exactly and precisely when it was satan or it was nothing but your own stubborness that provokes one into sin? It's not like the sin comes with a note on it saying "It's me.....SATAN!

I understand what you're saying when you say, "We have the control!" Wc can either choose to let satan in or not. But what about when satan tricks us through our own friends into sin? You even said he can be desceptive and cunning! So if he can hide his true self even in goodness, isn't it possible that he can fool even the most highly in the wisdom of God. If that's not so, then why and how did satan trick even the prophets into sin! We have scriptures where Jesus noted even his most notable prophets were tricked into sin.... Or not??? Eric??? Are you still there?

In God's love

Larry

Firstly, I never let satan in. When I err, it's my own fault, satan doesn't trap me. I know right from wrong, but I still mess up occasiomally, but has got nothing to do with the devil. I blame myself. People are always blaming satan. I have the same victory as Jesus has, the vitory over satan sin and death. I am not sinless, no more than anyone else.

Are you trying to tell me that if a man jumps the fence and visits his neighbour for a little on the side, that satan is the cause of it. If he is a true b/a christian, committed to following Jesus, he wouldn't even think about it.

My last statement is not cnotradictory. I said that satan has no pwer. period. If satan has power, then Jesus died in vain. If you can't resist looking at porn, don't blame satan, blame your own weakness. One of my favourite verses.......I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me.

[MeCajunboy]

So I'll be the fly in the ointment. I don't believe satan has any power whatever. He has cunning and guile that he can fool gullible people into think he has power. A true believing born again christian has more power than satan and can use it to call on Jesus to rebuke him. Luke 10:19 Behold I have given you authority to tread on snakes and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy; and nothing by any means will hurt you. The devil can lie and deceive you if your faith isn't very strong.

James 4:7 Be subject therefore to God; but withstand the devil and he will flee from you. The sting was taken out of satan's tail at the cross. IMHO, of course.

So then my question still stands eric, If you allow satan in, and we all know from God's Word that we all do and we all have because God said that we all sin, "Do you think that because and when we sin that satan has power over those who allow him to live within them to possess them with certain powers; similar to how those who practice witchcraft feel they have certain powers. Many who carry their "crosses" throughout life , as in a person who goes back and forth into Pornography, or the alcoholic or drug addict who can't seem to completely shake the addiction. I understand that we are still speaking of possible Christians who are still living with one foot on God's side and one foot in satan's corner, but does satan still have power over them as long as they allow him access? Notice eric that on the one hand in your first sentence you noted that satan has no power whatsoever. Then you went on to say that a Full abiding Christian as MORE POWER than satan. Does that not infer that satan DOES have some power?

Firstly, I never let satan in. When I err, it's my own fault, satan doesn't trap me. I know right from wrong, but I still mess up occasiomally, but has got nothing to do with the devil. I blame myself. People are always blaming satan. I have the same victory as Jesus has, the vitory over satan sin and death. I am not sinless, no more than anyone else.

Are you trying to tell me that if a man jumps the fence and visits his neighbour for a little on the side, that satan is the cause of it. If he is a true b/a christian, committed to following Jesus, he wouldn't even think about it.

My last statement is not cnotradictory. I said that satan has no pwer. period. If satan has power, then Jesus died in vain. If you can't resist looking at porn, don't blame satan, blame your own weakness. One of my favourite verses.......I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me.

Brother! I'm not making it up, This is your first statement: (So I'll be the fly in the ointment. I don't believe satan has any power whatever. He has cunning and guile that he can fool gullible people into think he has power. A true believing born again christian has more power than satan and can use it to call on Jesus to rebuke him.)

Now eric, did you not just say that "a true believing born again christian has more power than satan and can use it to call on Jesus to rebuke him?" Sounds like you're saying that satan must possess some type of power , that a new born christian would have MORE POWER over satan??? NO????

[MeCajunboy]

Satan can tempt us just as he did with Jesus in the desert. Satan offers us materialism and power if we will bow down and worship him, but we can resist the temptation the same as Jesus did. Satans has no creative powers or no powers to "make" us do anything. He can tempt us, but we also have the power to resist if we stand on the Word. Sin is what blinds us to the truth. Not Satan. Satan exploits whatever weakness we have, if we let him. Jesus clearly demonstrated the importance and effectiveness of knowing and applying Scripture to combat temptation. (Matthew 4:1-11)

In agreement friend in Christ! Note please that I'm not stating nor am I asking if satan has the power to MAKE us do anything! I'm only questioning that he does have power and if we let him in , satan can bestow power on the lowly and downtrotten in an attemt to get to the "we" Christians of the world! This is where I'm going with this statement.

[eric]

Sorry for the duplicate post.