Destroyed at the second coming

[Christian]

This is a question that is asked of a specific group of individuals which hold to a particular view concerning the second coming of Christ.

It is not a question intended to start a debate of any sort, so if you don't hold to this view your input here is not necessary.

I pray wholeheartedly for your consideration regarding my request and that you will just please move on to debate elsewhere should you not agree with the subject matter. It is not my intention to criticize, correct, or chastise those holding this position, it is merely a personal curiousity and fact finding mission of mine.

So the question is this:

For those who hold to the belief that at Christ's second coming that the righteous living and dead (those "in Christ") will be resurrected; and that the wicked living, along with the earth will be completely destroyed and left desolate for 1000 years until the "second resurrection"...

Where do the Jews fit into your categorization of the four types of individuals who represent all those ever born?

(living righteous, dead righteous, living wicked, dead wicked)

in Christ,

His faithful servant,

Christian

[HAZARD]

This is a question that is asked of a specific group of individuals which hold to a particular view concerning the second coming of Christ.

It is not a question intended to start a debate of any sort, so if you don't hold to this view your input here is not necessary.

I pray wholeheartedly for your consideration regarding my request and that you will just please move on to debate elsewhere should you not agree with the subject matter. It is not my intention to criticize, correct, or chastise those holding this position, it is merely a personal curiousity and fact finding mission of mine.

So the question is this:

For those who hold to the belief that at Christ's second coming that the righteous living and dead (those "in Christ") will be resurrected; and that the wicked living, along with the earth will be completely destroyed and left desolate for 1000 years until the "second resurrection"...

Where do the Jews fit into your categorization of the four types of individuals who represent all those ever born?

(living righteous, dead righteous, living wicked, dead wicked)

in Christ,

His faithful servant,

Christian

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There has been one rapture and there will be four more! The first was the going to Heaven of Christ and the saints that were resurrected after His resurrection (Matt. 27:52; Eph. 4:7-11; Acts 1:11); The second, the rapture of those "that are Christs at His coming" (1Cor. 15:23; Thess. 4:13-16); Third, the rapture of the 144,000 Jews in the middle of Daniels Seventieth Week (Rev. 12:5; 14:1-5; Dan. 12:1; Isa. 66:7-8); Fourth, the rapture of the tribulation saints (Rev. 7:9-17; 15:2-4; 20:4-6) and Fifth, the rapture of the two witnesses Rev. 11:3-12).

Haz.

[Fraught]

i think it is a mistake to separate believers into jews or greeks or male or female or young or old. all are believers in one body and i believe that whenever we are raptured, we will go together.

[Christian]

It is not a question intended to start a debate of any sort, or discuss other viewpoints

so if you don't hold to this view your input here is not necessary.

I pray wholeheartedly for your consideration regarding my request and that you will just please move on to debate elsewhere should you not agree with the subject matter. It is not my intention to criticize, correct, or chastise those holding this position, it is merely a personal curiousity and fact finding mission of mine.

So again, the question is this:

For those who hold to the belief that at Christ's second coming that the righteous living and dead (those "in Christ") will be resurrected; and that the wicked living, along with the earth will be completely destroyed and left desolate for 1000 years until the "second resurrection"...

Where do the Jews fit into your categorization of the four types of individuals who represent all those ever born?

(living righteous, dead righteous, living wicked, dead wicked)

in Christ,

His faithful servant,

Christian

Please read the guidelines for the thread please brothers and sisters.

[Guest man]

Where do the Jews fit into your categorization of the four types of individuals who represent all those ever born?

(living righteous, dead righteous, living wicked, dead wicked)

Wouldn't they fit into all those catagories?

[Xan]

Where do the Jews fit into your categorization of the four types of individuals who represent all those ever born?

(living righteous, dead righteous, living wicked, dead wicked)

Wouldn't they fit into all those catagories?

Yes, they would because there is only one way to the Father and that is through the Son. Jews who accept their Messiah are counted among the righteous; those who don't, aren't.

[EricH]

Moved from Contorversial Issues to Eschatology

[Christian]

In adhering to my own guidelines for this thread, I will be cautious in my response to these questions because I am not looking to start a dogmatic/doctrinal knock-down-drag-out on this topic with those here who thrive on confrontation merely for the sake of it.

This query stemmed from a conversation I held with a Christian brother, and I felt the need to expound on a question that I forgot to ask him. Knowing that the same view is held by other brothers and sisters I wanted to hear their side of the story without having all the accusations flying against them from the "self-righteous police" who feel the need to impose their pious views.

Where do the Jews fit into your categorization of the four types of individuals who represent all those ever born?

(living righteous, dead righteous, living wicked, dead wicked)

Wouldn't they fit into all those catagories?

No because they believe that "righteous" living and dead (those "in Christ") are resurrected and transformed at Christ's second coming. Christ never touches earth and we return to our heavenly "mansions" to be with him for the 1000 years

At this same event all the wicked living are destroyed along with everything on the face of the earth, and the wicked dead are left in the grave until after the 1000 years at the "second" resurrection for the "great white throne judgement".

They do not believe that Christ "descended into the caverns of earth to preach to the lost" upon his death (nor do I for that matter), but if this is the case then all those who have died prior to Christ's first appearance and crucifixion could only be judged by their "hearts" and works at the great white throne judgement.

Revelation 20:12, since it is speaking about the second resurrection, does bear this out in saying...

Revelation 20:12

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Since there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ, we are not "saved by works",and we are not the "accused" or those destined to perish in this judgement, then it can only be speaking about those others, Jews included who have not accepted Christ as Lord and Savior.

So Xan, given this scenario it complicates your statement since the dead Jews were not given this chance and could not be considered "righteous" by the standard of Christ that has been given to us.

Wouldn't they fit into all those catagories?

Yes, they would because there is only one way to the Father and that is through the Son. Jews who accept their Messiah are counted among the righteous; those who don't, aren't.

in Christ,

His faithful servant,

Christian

[Xan]

So Xan, given this scenario it complicates your statement since the dead Jews were not given this chance and could not be considered "righteous" by the standard of Christ that has been given to us.

Wouldn't they fit into all those catagories?

Yes, they would because there is only one way to the Father and that is through the Son. Jews who accept their Messiah are counted among the righteous; those who don't, aren't.

Huh? Jews can't be saved? You're confusing me.

[Guest yod]

This is a question that is asked of a specific group of individuals which hold to a particular view concerning the second coming of Christ.

It is not a question intended to start a debate of any sort, so if you don't hold to this view your input here is not necessary.

I pray wholeheartedly for your consideration regarding my request and that you will just please move on to debate elsewhere should you not agree with the subject matter. It is not my intention to criticize, correct, or chastise those holding this position, it is merely a personal curiousity and fact finding mission of mine.

So the question is this:

For those who hold to the belief that at Christ's second coming that the righteous living and dead (those "in Christ") will be resurrected; and that the wicked living, along with the earth will be completely destroyed and left desolate for 1000 years until the "second resurrection"...

Where do the Jews fit into your categorization of the four types of individuals who represent all those ever born?

(living righteous, dead righteous, living wicked, dead wicked)

in Christ,

His faithful servant,

Christian

hast thou read the scriptures?

He is coming for nothing else but to destroy the enemies of Israel. On that day, all of Israel will be saved.

Then the nations (goyim = gentiles) will be judged as either sheep or goats depending upon how they have treated the least of these (jews), His brethren