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[HAZARD]

Ye Heavens . . . . . and Ye that dwell in THEM? Them means more than one.

Okay, I think I see where this is all coming from...this is about a difficulty in reading interpretation. "Heavens," though in plural form, doesn't itself mean that there is more than one heaven. "Heavens" is just a more formal way to say sky and space and all that. Kinda like how you can say "the skies above." There's just one sky, but sometimes "skies" is used instead, because it's prettier or more formal.

"Usually, heavens. the sky, firmament, or expanse of space surrounding the earth." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heavens

EDIT: If you need the Greek to back this up, check out the word translated as "heavens" http://www.studylight.org/desk/view.cgi?number=3772

Thanks 'Iryssa'

Scriptures show more than one heaven. The Scripture I quoted does not say, "Rejoice you heaven and you who dwell in it" It says "Rejouce YE HEAVENS and YE who dwell in THEM? . . . . Ye plural, Heavens plural, and them plural.

That's because it would be grammatically incorrect to then use "it" instead of "them" when you are still referring to the same subject. You have to be consistent. And the "ye" has nothing to do with how many heavens there are, because it's referring to the things which dwell in the heavens, not the heavens themselves, which, depending on the context, would be either heavenly hosts (such as angels) or planets, moons, galaxies and stars (etc.).

No worries and again thanks 'Iryssa.'

If Ye as you said has nothing to do with how many heavens there are because it refers to the things that dwell in the heavens, then how do you explain away the words heavens, and the words "Ye" who dwell in them?" Not easy is it?

we cannot singuarlise the fact that scripture plainly and clearly says; "Rejoice Ye heavens, (more than one) and ye (the people or beings) that dwell in them."

How does one convert the words heavens, into heaven, ye into you, and them into it? Makes no sense to me at all?

And do you have any clues or ideas of how we can explain all these many dozens of scriptures here and in the other posts I have made describing heaven, the Heaven where God reigns, and the stary spaces or the parts of the Universe and the fact that heaven is a literal place where God reigns, and the heaven above the earth exists as does the starry spaces between the Earth, God's Heavenly home, and the vast universe?

Besides the place Heaven where God dwells (Gen21:17; 22:11, 15: 2 Cor. 12:1-3; Deut. 26:15; 1 Kings 8:30;38, 43, 49) there are two other spheres called Heaven. Paul speaks of three heavens (2 Cor. 12:1-3) The third Heaven here is called the paradise where God lives. The other two heavens are: the clouds (Gen.1:8; 7:23; 8:2; Job 38:9, 34; Isa. 14:14; Jer.51:16) and the starry space between the Earth and the planet Heaven (Gen. 1:15-20; 22:17; Isa.14:12-14; Ps. 8:3).

Scripture teaches that heaven is the capitol of the universe, for God has His capitol cCty, New Jerusalem, His capitol building, the Heavenly Temple or Tabernacle, and His throne in the Temple in Heaven. This city is described by John in Rev.21-22. This capital city will continue to be in Heaven until the end of the Millenium and then it will be moved from Heaven to the planet Earth (Rev.21:2, 9-21). Many Scriptures speak of God's throne being in Heaven. (Ps. 103:19; Rev.4:1-2). That God has a real temple in Heaven is clear from Rev.4-5; 11:19; 14:17; 16:17.

GOD OWNS AND RULES FROM THE HEAVENS OF HEAVENS (Gen. 14:19,22; Ps. 11:4; 89:11; Luke 10:21; 11:2). He also ownes the Earth and all things in the universe, but at present this planet is in rebellion against Him. This is why Jesus will be sent from Heaven with the armies of Heaven to sieze this rebellious part of the universe and restore Gods absolute rule on Earth as before the rebellion started (1 Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 19:1-21; 20:1-10 Zech. 14; Jude 14; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; Joel 3; Matt. 24:29-31; 25:31-46).

Haz.

[Iryssa]

Ye Heavens . . . . . and Ye that dwell in THEM? Them means more than one.

Okay, I think I see where this is all coming from...this is about a difficulty in reading interpretation. "Heavens," though in plural form, doesn't itself mean that there is more than one heaven. "Heavens" is just a more formal way to say sky and space and all that. Kinda like how you can say "the skies above." There's just one sky, but sometimes "skies" is used instead, because it's prettier or more formal.

"Usually, heavens. the sky, firmament, or expanse of space surrounding the earth." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heavens

EDIT: If you need the Greek to back this up, check out the word translated as "heavens" http://www.studylight.org/desk/view.cgi?number=3772

Thanks 'Iryssa'

Scriptures show more than one heaven. The Scripture I quoted does not say, "Rejoice you heaven and you who dwell in it" It says "Rejouce YE HEAVENS and YE who dwell in THEM? . . . . Ye plural, Heavens plural, and them plural.

That's because it would be grammatically incorrect to then use "it" instead of "them" when you are still referring to the same subject. You have to be consistent. And the "ye" has nothing to do with how many heavens there are, because it's referring to the things which dwell in the heavens, not the heavens themselves, which, depending on the context, would be either heavenly hosts (such as angels) or planets, moons, galaxies and stars (etc.).

No worries and again thanks 'Iryssa.'

I still cannot singuarlise the fact that scripture plainly and clearly says; "Rejoice Ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them." How does one convert the words heavens, into heaven, ye in to you, and them into it? Mankes no sense to me at all?

I have already attempted to explain this to you. It is a poetic use of the plural form not intended to be literally plural. Just to illustrate, let's think about the royal "we." People of high standing, particularly royalty, often use the pronoun "we" when referring to themselves. For example, Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II could say something like, "we are touched by your gesture," when what she really means is, "I am touched by your gesture." Her use of the plural does not mean there is more than one Queen Elizabeth II, it simply means she is royal.

While these two instances of using a plural form are not identical, they are similar enough to convey the message that the pluralization of a subject does not always mean that there is more than one of what is being referred to. Just because the queen says "we" doesn't mean there is more than one of her. Just because it says "heavens" does not mean there is more than one heaven. It is a poetic use of language, not meant to be taken quite so literally.

And do you have any clues or ideas of how we can explain all these many dozens of scriptures here and in the other posts I have made describing heaven, the Heaven where God reigns, and the stary spaces or the parts of the Universe and the fact that heaven is a literal place where God reigns, and the heaven above the earth exists as does the starry spaces between the Earth, God's Heavenly home, and the vast universe?

I'm not debating those other scriptures right now, I'm just trying to point out why you can't use the word "heavens" in the context of Revalation 12:12 to prove that there is more than one heaven. Frankly, I don't really care how you feel about the plurality or singularity of heaven (I find the whole "heaven is a planet" thing more than a little ridiculous, but whatever), I just want to clear up this particular misinterpretation.

Also, please ditch the single quotation marks around my name. For one thing, it is a pseudonym, which requires no quotation marks at all (unless you're trying to be sarcastic). For another, single quotation marks are for use within a quote already surrounded by double quotation marks, and are not intended to be used on their own.