A Woman's Right To Abortion

[Guest LadyC]

nebula, no, that girl had no right to kill her child. nobody has the right to murder anyone for any reason, and for the record, i do consider abortion murder.

but God created each of us with free will. i know my own previous post made what i was trying to say about as clear as mud, and i'm only speaking for myself here, not lovinghim4ever... so to clarify what i was trying to say, WE do not have the right to force anyone else to live a godly life. we, as a society (not individually) have the right and responsibility to punish criminal behaviour according to legal standards, but that's as much God-given rights as we are given over another adult. beyond that, we have to allow individuals the same freedom to follow their own will that God Himself grants....

the most powerful preventative measure we can take regarding the choices others make is prayer.

[Guest LadyC]

Actually, I was arguing that we, in fact, do not have the right to choose. Having that ability to make choice and carry that choice out, does not constitute right. Sure, I have the ability to decide to murder another individual, and I have the capability of carrying that choice out, but I do not have the right to murder. If I do not have the right to murder than choice become irrelevant.

wow. i wish i could have worded it that well.

[nebula]

so to clarify what i was trying to say, WE do not have the right to force anyone else to live a godly life. we, as a society (not individually) have the right and responsibility to punish criminal behaviour according to legal standards,

Well, I was addressing the OP, but since you responded -

Why is abortion treated as a "choice", but as soon as the baby is born to end its life is regarded as a crime?

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

Actually, I was arguing that we, in fact, do not have the right to choose. Having the ability to make a choice and carry that choice out, does not constitute right. Sure, I have the ability to decide to murder another individual, and I have the capability of carrying that choice out, but I do not have the right to murder. If I do not have the right to murder than choice become irrelevant.

You know one thing that kind of bugs me is, a local church may purge a certain member from its midst that has committed adultery. In fact, they are right to do so according to Scripture. If Christians really believe that abortion is murder, then why don't we treat women who have had abortions the same way we might treat a murderer or an adulterer? I think that we try to rationize it in a different way - that killing an unborn child is somehow a smaller form of murder.

Wow! You do make a very good point, therefore I wish to rephrase my earlier statements . . .

I do not agree with abortion, but I do believe in a person's freewill to choose. We all have the freewill to choose whatever we want to choose, but that doesn't mean we always choose what is right. We will still reap what we sow; no matter what our freewill chooses to sow. We will still suffer the consequences of our wrong choices, and we will still enjoy the blessings of our right choices.

So, I guess I should have titled this thread . . . "A Woman's Freewill To Abortion"

[Ovedya]

Actually, I was arguing that we, in fact, do not have the right to choose. Having the ability to make a choice and carry that choice out, does not constitute right. Sure, I have the ability to decide to murder another individual, and I have the capability of carrying that choice out, but I do not have the right to murder. If I do not have the right to murder than choice become irrelevant.

You know one thing that kind of bugs me is, a local church may purge a certain member from its midst that has committed adultery. In fact, they are right to do so according to Scripture. If Christians really believe that abortion is murder, then why don't we treat women who have had abortions the same way we might treat a murderer or an adulterer? I think that we try to rationize it in a different way - that killing an unborn child is somehow a smaller form of murder.

Wow! You do make a very good point, therefore I wish to rephrase my earlier statements . . .

I do not agree with abortion, but I do believe in a person's freewill to choose. We all have the freewill to choose whatever we want to choose, but that doesn't mean we always choose what is right. We will still reap what we sow; no matter what our freewill chooses to sow. We will still suffer the consequences of our wrong choices, and we will still enjoy the blessings of our right choices.

So, I guess I should have titled this thread . . . "A Woman's Freewill To Abortion"

Well I personally don't believe that "Free will" is truly as free as most of us would like to believe.

[Guest LadyC]

so to clarify what i was trying to say, WE do not have the right to force anyone else to live a godly life. we, as a society (not individually) have the right and responsibility to punish criminal behaviour according to legal standards,

Well, I was addressing the OP, but since you responded -

Why is abortion treated as a "choice", but as soon as the baby is born to end its life is regarded as a crime?

because we have a government that has turned away from God. it shouldn't be treated as a choice, but unless we can get some people on the supreme court that will stand up for truth, so that roe v wade can be overturned, we're stuck with what we got... a society with more regard for personal convenience and no accountability than they have for God or the life He created!

oh, and i know you were addressing the OP, but your question to lovinghim4ever made me realize how unclear my own post had been, so i took the opportunity to clarify it a little.

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

nebula, no, that girl had no right to kill her child. nobody has the right to murder anyone for any reason, and for the record, i do consider abortion murder.

but God created each of us with free will. i know my own previous post made what i was trying to say about as clear as mud, and i'm only speaking for myself here, not lovinghim4ever... so to clarify what i was trying to say, WE do not have the right to force anyone else to live a godly life. we, as a society (not individually) have the right and responsibility to punish criminal behaviour according to legal standards, but that's as much God-given rights as we are given over another adult. beyond that, we have to allow individuals the same freedom to follow their own will that God Himself grants....

the most powerful preventative measure we can take regarding the choices others make is prayer.

I agree, and I have rephrased some of my statements. I hope you will read them.

[Guest LadyC]

nebula, no, that girl had no right to kill her child. nobody has the right to murder anyone for any reason, and for the record, i do consider abortion murder.

but God created each of us with free will. i know my own previous post made what i was trying to say about as clear as mud, and i'm only speaking for myself here, not lovinghim4ever... so to clarify what i was trying to say, WE do not have the right to force anyone else to live a godly life. we, as a society (not individually) have the right and responsibility to punish criminal behaviour according to legal standards, but that's as much God-given rights as we are given over another adult. beyond that, we have to allow individuals the same freedom to follow their own will that God Himself grants....

the most powerful preventative measure we can take regarding the choices others make is prayer.

I agree, and I have rephrased some of my statements. I hope you will read them.

i gotta run and don't have time to review your edits, but i'm glad you clarified. i had a sneaky suspicion that your line of thought was similar to mine, but i wasn't going to speak for you since i'm not psychic!

[Guest zoe-girl]

nebula, no, that girl had no right to kill her child. nobody has the right to murder anyone for any reason, and for the record, i do consider abortion murder.

but God created each of us with free will. i know my own previous post made what i was trying to say about as clear as mud, and i'm only speaking for myself here, not lovinghim4ever... so to clarify what i was trying to say, WE do not have the right to force anyone else to live a godly life. we, as a society (not individually) have the right and responsibility to punish criminal behaviour according to legal standards, but that's as much God-given rights as we are given over another adult. beyond that, we have to allow individuals the same freedom to follow their own will that God Himself grants....

the most powerful preventative measure we can take regarding the choices others make is prayer.

AMEN Sister C

[~pearl]

I have to wonder why if the woman chooses to kill her unborn child it is classified as choice, but if someone murders a pregnant woman they are charged with double homicide?

Sorry if I took this off topic.