The purpose driven church

[ServingHim]

Read my post on "why do we go to church"? in the general forum.

could you post the link?

[Spiritual Warrior]

they also have arcades for the children .... my son has gone with his friend, and everytime, he comes home saying he wants to go there because they have so much fun...arcades!!!!!

Yep,

What does Pac-Man teach me about the word of God.

[ServingHim]

what exactly IS a 'Purpose Driven Church'? I've not read this book.

[Guest shadow2b]

-On re-reading this thread some of you are almost putting Saddleback in the same category as the Mormon or JW cults. That is a huge dis-service to this church. Saddleback does not pretend to be anything more or less then a seeker church. Seeker churches are vital to our society today.

-WHAT--ZACTLY IS A "SEEKER-CHURCH"??--WHY ARE"SEEKER-CHURCHES"VITAL TO OUR SOCIETY??-TODAY?? :suspect:

"WHAT"DO "SEEKER-CHURCHES"DO??-That "OTHER"Churches DON'T DO??& WHY DO THEY DO-WHAT THEY DO?? hmmmm?

[Yahsway]

Ill give it a shot Shadow2b, but mind you this is how I see it. A seeker-sensitive church is one who is man-pleasing, not God pleasing. Such as bringing in all the video games and such for the youth. These things are used to draw the seeker into the church, and a there is a lot of "politcal correctness" too, if you know what I mean.

We have enough of those worldly things in the world. The Fathers house is suppose to be one of holiness(set-apartness). I do not find anything sinful or wrong in playing games, or taking youth to such functions as long as it is wholesome and good, but I dont think bringing those extra-carricular(spell)activities into the "church setting" is good either.

I know they take surveys and polls of those who are not churched so to speak and evaluate them to see what they can do based on these surveys to bring the people back into church. But, the church is supposed to be the Ekklessia(meaning the called out ones). We are to be called out and be seperated(Holy) a peculair people if you will, so others can see that we are a changed people due to our nature that is in Christ, not of the world.

And one more thing i might add, you know the saying "Follow the Money?". Mega churches are just that MEGA, nothing more. Its not the quantity that matters, it should be the quality of our witness and life. Remember the saying :wide is the gate to destruction, but narrow is the gate to life, and few there are that find it.

The message has been the same for 2000 years, God doesnt need our help in bringing the world (worldly ways) into His house. He needs for us to be a living witness to those when we are outside those walls of corporate worship.It should be us and our lives, Christ shining thru us that will bring them into the kingdom.

It is not about what we can offer the seekers based on what they want, it should be based on what God wants. He is still the One Trure Rock in which we will either fall on or be crushed beneath. anyway, the church I attended for 10 years got the books by Rick Warren. They also went out and bought pool-tables and video machines, when in my humble opinion we could have taken that money and really be a witness to others in our community and used it to help some family.

Our priorities have really been turned around on this one. Yeshua does seek out the lost sheep, but on His terms not theirs. He is sensitive to the seeker, but he is not seeker- sensitive. He still is the Great I AM, and He changes not to fit our mold of Him. He is the Potter and we are the clay. be blessed

[ServingHim]

awesome!

[Spiritual Warrior]

Ill give it a shot Shadow2b, but mind you this is how I see it. A seeker-sensitive church is one who is man-pleasing, not God pleasing. Such as bringing in all the video games and such for the youth. These things are used to draw the seeker into the church, and a there is a lot of "politcal correctness" too, if you know what I mean.

We have enough of those worldly things in the world. The Fathers house is suppose to be one of holiness(set-apartness). I do not find anything sinful or wrong in playing games, or taking youth to such functions as long as it is wholesome and good, but I dont think bringing those extra-carricular(spell)activities into the "church setting" is good either.

I know they take surveys and polls of those who are not churched so to speak and evaluate them to see what they can do based on these surveys to bring the people back into church. But, the church is supposed to be the Ekklessia(meaning the called out ones). We are to be called out and be seperated(Holy) a peculair people if you will, so others can see that we are a changed people due to our nature that is in Christ, not of the world.

And one more thing i might add, you know the saying "Follow the Money?". Mega churches are just that MEGA, nothing more. Its not the quantity that matters, it should be the quality of our witness and life. Remember the saying :wide is the gate to destruction, but narrow is the gate to life, and few there are that find it.

The message has been the same for 2000 years, God doesnt need our help in bringing the world (worldly ways) into His house. He needs for us to be a living witness to those when we are outside those walls of corporate worship.It should be us and our lives, Christ shining thru us that will bring them into the kingdom.

It is not about what we can offer the seekers based on what they want, it should be based on what God wants. He is still the One Trure Rock in which we will either fall on or be crushed beneath. anyway, the church I attended for 10 years got the books by Rick Warren. They also went out and bought pool-tables and video machines, when in my humble opinion we could have taken that money and really be a witness to others in our community and used it to help some family.

Our priorities have really been turned around on this one. Yeshua does seek out the lost sheep, but on His terms not theirs. He is sensitive to the seeker, but he is not seeker- sensitive. He still is the Great I AM, and He changes not to fit our mold of Him. He is the Potter and we are the clay. be blessed

That's it!

Jesus said beware when all men speak well of you. And people that love the Isaiah 30:10 church age love the "seeker sensitive" message. Especially the sensitive part. And a lot of people are going to speak well of it.

"I love that guy, he never talks about sin, hell, accountability or judgement day. And He promotes having a "good time" (via worldly methods) in church." I want to go back."

Boom: mega church. People love to have their ears itched, and they will keep going back to the one who is the scratcher.

[AmariYah]

First I will admit that I have not read every post in this thread so if this has been brought up already then I apologize... But

What is the purpose of Jesus Christ our Lord-? To destroy the work of the Devil! What we find in the Purpose Driven Church is no mention of the devil or how we do battle with the enemy. Therefore it does kind of remind me of a "seeker sensitive" type of teaching. Without teaching that the church must continue the purpose of Jesus Christ- to destroy the work of the devil, we are then just playing church and perpetuating the corporate modern church business. Rick warrens book completely avoids the topic of the devil and spiritual warfare- therefore it comes across to many Christians as merely a "feel good" gospel.

Now, having said that- I think that there are some goode things in the book- & I really enjoyed the 40 days of purpose- The purpose driven life. It was certainly not complete but I believe that it was a good and useful work inspired by the Lord. (I think that the Purpose Driven Church may perhaps have been written from the perspective of a professional minister who perhaps is too engulfed in the modern corporate business model for church which cannot be found in the Holy Bible!)

[Spiritual Warrior]

(I think that the Purpose Driven Church may perhaps have been written from the perspective of a professional minister who perhaps is too engulfed in the modern corporate business model for church which cannot be found in the Holy Bible!)

I agree

And I too found some nuggets of truth in the book. But as a whole, I strongly disagree.

[tsth]

I'm sorry, I know it's annoying, but I'll say it again.

Read this to see what is happening prophetically:

http://www.worthyboards.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12729

In His Love,

Suzanne