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[Manofwork]

God creates animals and then man - Gen 1:25-26

God creates man and then the animals - Gen 2:18-19

you will notice that in verse 19(gen2,18-19) it said God HAD meaning already formed the animals and then brought them to man to be named it doesn't say he made man then the animals

this is just the first one on your list shall we study the rest or are you going to come back at me like you have with artsy

[Manofwork]

Arpachshad's son was Shelah - Gen 11:12

Arpachshad's grandson was Shelah - Luke 3:35-36

Just done a bit of study on this second point of yours and have found in my study notes FATER MAY MEAN ancestor,also in verses 11-25 MAYBE you should do a bit of study for youself on these points you posted but i know you will come back with some great answer to dispute what i have found just by doing a bit of study on these in the last 15 mins

God bless and clarify your ideas

Daniel

[artsylady]

Good work Manofwork. I don't know where he got this list, but it's completely irrelevant and just requires a bit of study to find out these simply are not contradictions. I don't know if there's a point in going through each one because I beleive that VG will simply find a zillion other reasons to dismiss God.

[Guest Strservant]

Artzlady,

I noticed the word "maybe" a few time in your explaintation.

Maybe one lineage given through the mother and one through the father.

Actually he was born in Bethlehem, grew up in Nazareth and maybe had made a few homes during his ministry in a few other locations.

Explainations are real answers, not assumptions. You can't simply assume this is what was ment becasue I can simply assume they ment something else.

Please, I notice you make extremely general comments like you did in the "Expansion of Races" thread. If you don't have answers for things don't proceed like you do with generalizations and words like "maybe" your giving me a headace with that logic.

I could page through the entire Bible and say "maybe this is what they ment by this passage" and "this is what they ment by this one" but as we should realize "maybe" is nothing but assumptiopn and general comments that don't float with logic...

I would like it if you went through the entire list and didn't use the word "maybe" once. You couldn't because you have no idea what each passage means because you weren't there at the time of origination. You weren't present at the time of their thought proccess.

These are all contradictions, and "maybe" they have answers, and "maybe" they don't.

Vanilla Gorilla,

There is absolutely no subject that has facts on everything. Evolution and the big bang have alot of maybes in them also.

Secondly, we as humans will never understand everything in Scripture until we join our Father in Heaven.

Respectfully,

Strservant

[Guest VanillaGorilla]

Strservent,

Vanilla Gorilla,

There is absolutely no subject that has facts on everything. Evolution and the big bang have alot of maybes in them also.

Secondly, we as humans will never understand everything in Scripture until we join our Father in Heaven.

Respectfully,

Strservant

Exactly my point then why push me so hard into something you people don't even have proof of or know is true?

[Guest Strservant]

Good work Manofwork. I don't know where he got this list, but it's completely irrelevant and just requires a bit of study to find out these simply are not contradictions. I don't know if there's a point in going through each one because I beleive that VG will simply find a zillion other reasons to dismiss God.

Artsylady,

I had said the same thing to Vanilla Gorilla when he first posted this list. I don't mind answering them but not just to be answering them.

Vanilla Gorilla & Steff,

Please note that we have now addressed at least some of the lengthy post VG posted and SA has still not addressed even one line of Arkon's post. Also, Steff, to say that SA has been nothing but cordial is somewhat of a stretch at best. He has accussed people of being liars and has been sarcastic in his own right. As for myself and I feel artsylady also we are concerned about his motives for being here. It is easy to claim innocence when truly ones motives are not as pure as they state they are.

Respectfully,

Strservant

[Steff]

He was also very forward about WHY he wasn't answering it. In case you had forgotten:

Like I've already said Arkon, I'm not going to respond to monster cut and pastes, especially as, given the fact that you don't understand them well enough to post them in your own words, you probably don't have any intention of really following up any replies.

Again if you are truly interested in getting answers to Arkon's post, I suggest you start a new thread and post the first few items.

I question your motives since you are complaining about it, yet have yet to repost the items and ask for a reply in a reasonable format.

I will say it AGAIN if you missed it the first time, this is a forum for your OWN ideas, not posting others ideas in huge cut & paste jobs. If the document is huge, then a link should do fine. Additionally, you should quote the source, or at least the author if it is available.

[Guest Strservant]

I question your motives since you are complaining about it, yet have yet to repost the items and ask for a reply in a reasonable format.

I will say it AGAIN if you missed it the first time, this is a forum for your OWN ideas, not posting others ideas in huge cut & paste jobs. If the document is huge, then a link should do fine. Additionally, you should quote the source, or at least the author if it is available.

Steff,

and I will repeat AGAIN that there were several places in the post where there were references to the information Arkon provided. By the way, have you ever looked at the length of SA's posts? I've seen novels that were of shorter length. My motives have been stated openly and repeatedly by me. SA feels that there is no way anyone can refute the so called facts he presents which change every time new information is gained by the way, so they are really only the facts as they are known now. 20 years from now it may be different. Those of us who choose to believe by faith are strong enough in that faith to say that we don't have all the answers and what may seem like a discrepency between science and God's Word now may be a lack of understanding on our part. SA and others like him feel that they are of such intelligence that they can state that God's Word is wrong based on what they feel is man's huge knowledge which is nothing compared to God's.

Respectfully,

Strservant

[AllforJesustheLord]

Arpachshad's son was Shelah - Gen 11:12

Arpachshad's grandson was Shelah - Luke 3:35-36

Just done a bit of study on this second point of yours and have found in my study notes FATER MAY MEAN ancestor,also in verses 11-25 MAYBE you should do a bit of study for youself on these points you posted but i know you will come back with some great answer to dispute what i have found just by doing a bit of study on these in the last 15 mins

God bless and clarify your ideas

Daniel

Can you tell me is Fater in Greek or Hebrew, please? I want to look this up.

[AllforJesustheLord]

Alright Strsevent,

lets test your tolerance...the folllowing is a list of contradictions to the bible. Read through them and defend your answers...if you can.

God creates animals and then man - Gen 1:25-26so

God creates man and then the animals - Gen 2:18-19

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Arpachshad's son was Shelah - Gen 11:12

Arpachshad's grandson was Shelah - Luke 3:35-36

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Noah takes 7 pairs of each type of animal onto the ark

- Gen 7:2-3

Noah takes one pair of animal onto the ark - Gen 6:19

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Terah's lifespan.

Acts 7:4 states Terah was dead when Abraham left Haran.

According to Gen 11:26, Terah was 70 when Abraham was

born and Abraham was 75 when he left Haran. Therefore

he lived 70 years (ie. his age when Abraham was born)

plus 75 years (Abraham's age when he left Haran -

Terah was dead at this time according to Acts 7:4) -

145 years in total. However, Gen 11:32 states he lived

205 years.

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God promises Abraham the land of Canaan to live in -

Gen 17:8

God did not allow Abraham to live in the promised land

- Acts 7:5, Heb 11:8,9,13

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I just wanted to say, somethings you are definately not understanding, somethings you are not understanding what the scriptures are saying, and somethings in the many things you listed to me, shows not all is truly scripture, but I already knew that, for instance in Rev. the 144,000 is missing one of the tribes the tribe Dan, the thought is this, with the combination of the Masoretic Text, and the Byzantine Greek text, we have all the Word of God, if we see something does not agree like a N.T. scripture, and an old, then we are to use the old to make the scripture in the new scripture again, you see with the combination of the Old, and the New we have full scripture, that means some things need to be added, and taken away, because some things where added, and taken away, not all scripture is scripture, but if we will have faith in that which we can see is scriputure then we will be blessed to understand all true scripture. You will see Chronicles is not necessarily scripture, many had problems with Chronicles, I noticed many things you used to disprove the Older Covenant, you related to Chronicles, well we could probably fix those scriptures using the other old Testament scriptures, or we could probably just get rid of Chronicles all together, I see many scriptures in the Old, and New which are not perfect through what you said, but then if we went to far, we would not believe in Christ, thus becareful what you teach, and do, without the understanding of believing in Christ, Jesus Christ will kill you if you hurt his people, I guarantee this in Jesus Christ's Name, beware of the wrath of God, He will kill whom He will, and you will not escape Him. You see the Older Testaments are right if the recognition is to recognize all that is scripture, and we can see in the Older Testaments Christ is spoken of, The scriptures say the virgin will give birth to Him, and that He would not open His mouth, during His time of suffering, and that He would suffer, and Die, and rise again, on the third day, then that He would rule, and reign, and He has, and He will continue to, and You will find that out sooner, or later, how can the One God choose to manifest Himself to different people, even Jesus Christ when they pray God, or Allah, or ELoHeeM, and show Himself as Jesus Christ unless He is truly God. You see Jesus Christ is God, and if it were my choice I would have God kill you right now, because you are doing very much evil, without trying to truly look at the scriptures. You see you do not believe God choose Israel, in the natural, forever, and you do not believe Christ came to do what He did according to the Older Covenants, that is because you do not believe God is God, that He came to Israel in the natural first, and that His Word is His Word at least the scriptures which are His Word, I am so tired of being nice to people like you Vanilla gorilla, that is truly what you are. You are a dog, which is treated nicely, because you are a pet, not because you deserve this treating nicely, but because you are a dog, a gentile, and gentiles are dogs, according to Jesus own words. You go just like a dog, with the purpose of loving your master, the dog of dogs, satan, you follow Him, because you are His, and He is in bondage, and you are in bondage, you deceive, and are being decieved, like those who you deceive, and who decieve you. You shall suffer according to God's will so that some day you will submit to Him. In the name of YaHuSHia MeSHiaCH YaHWeH ELoHeeM.