The Big Bang

[nebula]

it's more fun than being educated about rocks and such.

I like being educated about rocks and such.

Rocks are cool!

[artsylady]

If I was to sit in a classroom and have a real need to learn about dating methods that would be fine. I'd learn it.

I just don't think I have the attention span. My life is soooo hectic! And in the end, I'm sure I'd find problems with the methods anyway.

But yeah, rocks are cool! I'd even considering having one for a pet, but I'd really have to do some research to make sure I had the time and money in the budget that it takes to properly care for one!

[Guest Strservant]

If I was to sit in a classroom and have a real need to learn about dating methods that would be fine. I'd learn it.

I just don't think I have the attention span. My life is soooo hectic! And in the end, I'm sure I'd find problems with the methods anyway.

But yeah, rocks are cool! I'd even considering having one for a pet, but I'd really have to do some research to make sure I had the time and money in the budget that it takes to properly care for one!

Artsylady,

Once again you come up with something I wish I would have said.

[artsylady]

Thanks Strservant!

It's true though. Barely have time to read these posts. Was having major troubles last night trying to post too - darn computer!

[Guest Strservant]

I think the study of the antiquity of the earth and universe is fascinating, and I think the methods used and what they tell us are truly amazing, so I don't think it's a question of interest at all. I think you have a perfectly normal level of interest in the age of the earth, and the cosmology of the universe, just you'd rather not discuss it because it seems to contradict your theology, and that would take you out of your comfort zone.

SA,

Your posts and the methods mentioned by you do not bring me out of my comfort zone as I am quite comfortable believing in God's Word and anything that seems to contradict it does not make me uncomfortable at all. The Bible says that the Word of God is but foolishness to those who would call themselves wise. I will gladly go to my grave having man think I am foolish.

Respectfully,

Strservant

[artsylady]

you'd rather not discuss it because it seems to contradict your theology, and that would take you out of your comfort zone.

SA: Now your true intentions really are coming out. I think you want to take me out of my comfort zone. You're here to just educate? Ha. Ha ha ha..... Hahahahahahahaha..... I think that if you can get Christians questioning their beliefs, you will remain in your comfort zone. You're trying to find a comfort zone by being here. Maybe if you can convert a few of us, you can go on your merry way for awhile and live in peace with your decision to reject God. I've asked before, if you want to educate, why not become a teacher? Why come to a Christian forum?

I've also posted some dating method info from AIG, which you refused to discuss because you felt it was beneath your level, yet you come here and know darn well we aren't scientists. Could it be that you want to wow and zow us with your 'knowledge' rather than take the time to learn about problems with your dating methods? Would that take you out of your 'comfort zone'?

Now, asking me to learn intricate details of how your dating methods work will take time. It's like asking me to figure out a really complex math problem that will take a lot of time and effort to figure out. And in the end, I've figured out a number. Big deal. My mind doesn't work that way. I hate math. I hate technicalities. But if you want, I'll learn more about these methods, but we'll start at my level, not yours.

:suspect: My little son wanted me to put this smilie on here so there it is!

[Guest Strservant]

you'd rather not discuss it because it seems to contradict your theology, and that would take you out of your comfort zone.

SA: Now your true intentions really are coming out. I think you want to take me out of my comfort zone. You're here to just educate? Ha. Ha ha ha..... Hahahahahahahaha..... I think that if you can get Christians questioning their beliefs, you will remain in your comfort zone. You're trying to find a comfort zone by being here. Maybe if you can convert a few of us, you can go on your merry way for awhile and live in peace with your decision to reject God. I've asked before, if you want to educate, why not become a teacher? Why come to a Christian forum?

I've also posted some dating method info from AIG, which you refused to discuss because you felt it was beneath your level, yet you come here and know darn well we aren't scientists. Could it be that you want to wow and zow us with your 'knowledge' rather than take the time to learn about problems with your dating methods? Would that take you out of your 'comfort zone'?

Now, asking me to learn intricate details of how your dating methods work will take time. It's like asking me to figure out a really complex math problem that will take a lot of time and effort to figure out. And in the end, I've figured out a number. Big deal. My mind doesn't work that way. I hate math. I hate technicalities. But if you want, I'll learn more about these methods, but we'll start at my level, not yours.

:suspect: My little son wanted me to put this smilie on here so there it is!

Artsylady,

THANK YOU!!!!! I have been the only one giving SA any heat about his motives for being here and I was starting to think everyone else didn't see it. I knew I liked you and your posts for some reason. It is so clear why he is here that only someone who refuses to see it can't see it. Please see my post to SA under Mutations on this same area (Apologetics). It seems I have ruffled some feathers. Just thought I would warn you as you might be the next one they start on.

Respectfully,

Strservant

Edited June 11, 2004 by Strservant

[Bread_of_Life]

artsylady

Ha. Ha ha ha..... Hahahahahahahaha..... I think that if you can get Christians questioning their beliefs, you will remain in your comfort zone. You're trying to find a comfort zone by being here.

I don't see how being surrounded by people who disagree vehemently with me counts as being within my comfort zone.

I've asked before, if you want to educate, why not become a teacher?

I might one day actually, but for the moment, it doesn't pay well.

I've also posted some dating method info from AIG, which you refused to discuss because you felt it was beneath your level, yet you come here and know darn well we aren't scientists.

This isn't true. It's a lie, and you're a liar with it. I have never claimed, to the very best of my knowledge, that any of your posts are beneath my level to answer, whether quoted from AiG or otherwise.

I have rejected a couple of Arkon's mammoth posts on the basis that they were off topic huge cut and pastes - but not that they were beneath my level.

However, I am always open to evidence. If I did do this, and you have evidence, then link me in.

But if you want, I'll learn more about these methods, but we'll start at my level, not yours.

I'm happy for you to do so. I can recommend several texts for beginners on radioactivity and half lives if you really are serious about finding out about them. I have also explained them in some detail in my two threads on the age of the earth (especially the first one) on this forum if you want to have a look.

[artsylady]

. I think that if you can get Christians questioning their beliefs, you will remain in your comfort zone. You're trying to find a comfort zone by being here.

I don't see how being surrounded by people who disagree vehemently with me counts as being within my comfort zone.

You have chosen to deny God, but since He really does exist, you have a need to fight Him. That's why your comfort zone is found wherever you can fight Him. But if you want a real comfort zone and real peace, you'll surrender to Him.

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[Bread_of_Life]

I would think it would pay better than your Worthy Board paychecks.

Agreed, but I couldn't do it as a hobby - it'd have to be my full time job, which wouldn't pay so well as what I do now, keeping worthyboards as a hobby.

but what if God used already existing materials -old materials to form the earth?

It will require a more complicated ad hoc addition to your creationist theory than this one to explain the evidence.

Firstly, God didn't just use old materials. He used materials of every age from zero to 4.2 billion years old. We have dated rocks of basically all ages inbetween. One wonders where this resevoir of rocks came from, and why he bothered using multiple ages?

Secondly, he didn't just throw the old/quite old/new materials just anywhere. In fact, very often, we built them up, one on top of another, to make them look like different sedimentary layers. The Grand Canyon is an excellent example - it's walls have layers from 2,000 million years ago upwards. Also, even if there were a reason for using different "ages" and sorts of rock and layering them in chronological order (and I certainly can't imagine what this reason would be) - but even if there was a reason, why leave unconformities - places where there is a gap in the geological record. There are many small unconformities in the grand canyon, and two big ones - the biggest being a gap of 500 million years. Conventional geology predicts that these will occur after a period of mountain building and subsequent erosion - how does your hypothesis explain them?

Thirdly, sometimes rocks arn't just rocks. Sometimes they contain remnants of life - called fossils. These fossils can range from tiny pollen grains to imprints of rain drops to impressions of animals to actual fossilised bone. Fossils and surface features such as these permeate the rocks we find, and are also in chronological order, as if certain animals really did live at a certain times, and as if certain sediments (now buried very deep) really were exposed to the elements at one time. Therefore God didn't just use old/quite old/new rocks to make the earth, he also must have used rocks with fossils already inside them, and buried the fossils in chronological order for us to discover. Why would he do this, given that the most obvious interpretation on finding these remains is that life on earth is billions of years old?

Fourthly, the rocks God used in your hypothesis are of different types. Some layers are completely shale and limestone, others are sandstone etc etc. Sometimes, as in a few layers of the Grand Canyon, two different sorts of rocks are found in different geographical zones of a single layer. Conventional geology explains this by type of sedimentation and sea level at the time of sedimentation - in the cases where 2 types of rock are found geographically zoned in one layer, this is because the sea only partially covered the area at the time. How does your hypothesis deal with this?

Lastly - where did all these old/quite old/new rocks/fossils/surface features etc come from in the first place? Was there a creation before creation that God took materials from and used in ours? Was there another planet in our universe with strikingly similar life to our own whose rocks God used to create earth?