Which Bible

[ollkiller]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7651105.stm Saw this article on the bbc news website. Curious about opinions.

[David170907]

I can't wait to read it. Fascinating.

[Guest rsh]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7651105.stm Saw this article on the bbc news website. Curious about opinions.

This is nothing new. Ever since the Apostles wrote their books there has been other literature written to try to dispute that Jesus is the Christ and that he died for atonement of sins and raised three days later.

The actual Word of God is Jesus himself. People often mistake that Christians believe that God himself wrote the bible. Man did write the bible because they were inspired by the Holy Spirit of our Lord and Saviour. The reason why certain literature was left out of the first bible was because our church fathers did not believe that the authors were inspired by the Holy Spirit or because some authors either did not live during the time of Jesus or the apostles. Therefore those certain authors are not as reliable witnesses to Jesus and his ministry as the twelve apostles and Paul. I feel that our church fathers were inspired by the Spirit to put this literature together as a bible.

One problem that does exist with the bible as we know it today is that mankind has done a lot of damage to our faith through false or misleading interpretations and translations. When man translates the bible as long with many other pieces of literature they have used incorrect words or if they can find an accurate translation they just plug in whatever word they deem is close enough. Sometimes a word that is close but not the same can change the whole meaning of the scripture and can have a negative effect.

Each person needs to read the bible and then pray for guidance from God to determine what is truly being spoken, and pray that God give them the knowledge to determine what pieces of literature are in fact inspired by God or inspired by Satan trying to mislead us.

When ever reading or hearing about these types of debates about the Word of God I always refer to 1 Timothy 6:3-4:

3If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions

[kross]

In the article it aludes to the fact that the Bible we have is from texts earlier than this one. Manuscripts that are not assembled in one place.

Also, this was written by, or during Constantine, the man who established Christianity as the national religion and declared himself not to be required to be a Christian.

If the book of Barrabas is true or not, I do not know. But, the verse about the jews saying, "HIS blood be on us and on our children" is recorded in Mathew 27:25 It is nothing shocking or new.

Truth,

GOD has given us a perfect work ande there is no need to seek another.

[Guest]

If "God promised to preserve His word" shouldn't there be no errors? Not even minor ones? The magnitude of the error is irrelevant, any error however small, makes the Bible less than perfect and thus not His perfectly preserved instruction to mankind.

The Magnitude Of The Error However Small Lies Not Within The Holy Words Of God

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

But Within The Stony Hearts Of Sinners

Take heed, brethren,

lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. Hebrews 3:12

Faithless Ones Blinded By Satan

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,

lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

But There Is One Way

Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. Psalms 139:23-24

To The Truth

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:5-6

Honestly

And ye shall seek me, and find me, Jeremiah 29:13(a)

Trust

when ye shall search for me with all your heart. Jeremiah 29:13(b)

[MorningGlory]

No parts? You yourself said in your last post a comparison of the KJV and the dead sea scrolls wasn't identical. If they aren't identical then something has to have been changed or omitted. There are only two real options, either God doesn't care about the accuracy of His message to mankind or the Bible isn't God's message to mankind. Either option doesn't inspire faith.

It always amazes me when I observe how hard nonbelievers work to validate their lack of belief. If you are comfortable with your belief that God doesn't exist, I would think you would just go on your merry way. Are you trying to convince us, those who have an unshakeable faith in the Lord, or yourself? If it's Christians you aim to convince, why? I've always believed that nonbelievers instinctively know there IS a God but rail against that fact because it means they are truly not in control of their futures and are subject to His laws. To what end do you denounce the inerrancy of the Bible, NC?

[RebekahDavid]

If "God promised to preserve His word" shouldn't there be no errors? Not even minor ones? The magnitude of the error is irrelevant, any error however small, makes the Bible less than perfect and thus not His perfectly preserved instruction to mankind.

The Magnitude Of The Error However Small Lies Not Within The Holy Words Of God

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

But Within The Stony Hearts Of Sinners

Take heed, brethren,

lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. Hebrews 3:12

Faithless Ones Blinded By Satan

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,

lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

But There Is One Way

Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. Psalms 139:23-24

To The Truth

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:5-6

Honestly

And ye shall seek me, and find me, Jeremiah 29:13(a)

Trust

when ye shall search for me with all your heart. Jeremiah 29:13(b)

excellent post brother.

love your sister in Christ,

Rebekah David

[MorningGlory]

If a=b and then I claim a=1 and b=2 then there is an error. This is what the Bible does with genealogies, events and even scriptural quotations. The Bible in many places makes one claim then later contradicts it. The Bible is not inerrant, that is, it contains errors.

For example...?

In the NKJV compare:

2Samuel 23:8 vs 1Chronicles 11:11

2Kings 8:26 vs 2Chronicles 22:2

2Samuel 10:18 vs 1 Chronicles 19:18

Matthew 12:5 vs The entire Old Testament

Acts 1:18 vs Matthew 27:5

....the list goes on.

Wow, NC, you must be huffing and puffing from the exertion of trying to shore up your argument. Let me ask you again...if you are so SURE of the nonexistence of God and the flawed condition of the Bible....why are you here? Someone who is secure in his beliefs sure wouldn't spend so much time trying to prove his point. It doesn't compute, my friend.

[Guest]

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:3

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I don't accept the Bible as evidence because I believe it to be flawed, it is like a smudgedfinger print. The smudged fingerprint might match the accused but because the detail is so poor it matches a hundred million other peoples fingerprint.

Yes!

You Know

The Bible Clearly Points To Only ONE

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:6

And You Will Either Believe In HIM

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:

John 3:36(a)

Or You Will Not

and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:36(b)

Your Choice

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I don't accept the Bible as evidence because I believe it to be flawed, it is like a smudgedfinger print.

Yes!

You Know

Nobody Will Blame The Word Of God

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

For His Heart Of Unbelief

But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. Jeremiah 7:24

On Judgement Day

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:12

So Believe

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned:

John 3:17-18(a)

Or Not

but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 18(b-c)

Your Choice

[~JM~]

Confessions of faith are just that, a confession made by humans wanting to crystalize the doctrines of the Bible into easy to digest bits of theology. They are not binding but instructive. The confession I refer to most often is the London Baptist Confession of Faith written in 1689 and I will quote below.

Chapter 1: Of the Holy Scriptures

8. The Old Testament in Hebrew (which was the native language of the people of God of old), and the New Testament in Greek (which at the time of the writing of it was most generally known to the nations), being immediately inspired by God, and by his singular care and providence kept pure in all ages, are therefore authentic; so as in all controversies of religion, the church is finally to appeal to them. But because these original tongues are not known to all the people of God, who have a right unto, and interest in the Scriptures, and are commanded in the fear of God to read and search them, therefore they are to be translated into the vulgar language of every nation unto which they come, that the Word of God dwelling plentifully in all, they may worship him in an acceptable manner, and through patience and comfort of the Scriptures may have hope. ( Romans 3:2; Isaiah 8:20; Acts 15:15; John 5:39; 1 Corinthians 14:6, 9, 11, 12, 24, 28; Colossians 3:16 )

Now we are set to the task of finding the manuscripts that God has entrusted to believers.

Some might say that Christians are begging the question since we are assuming the proposition of the providential care and truth of the Bible...BUT the scientific method also assumes it's own propositions and epistemology. Science is therefore guilty of begging the question since the method used assumes induction and causation.

The unbeliever is in no better shape when it comes to their theory of knowledge. The unbeliever lives by faith, they cannot study all the information gather, yet they still believe the unbelievers outlook is correct