explain why God was sorry he made man?

[slim777]

the foreknowledge of God knew that man would sin in the Garden or Eden..wonder why he later repented that he has made man...when he

new before had he would become a sinner..just a thought if anyone has any things that might shed some light on this?

[godrulz]

the foreknowledge of God knew that man would sin in the Garden or Eden..wonder why he later repented that he has made man...when he

new before had he would become a sinner..just a thought if anyone has any things that might shed some light on this?

This assumes exhaustive definite foreknowledge which is problematic in light of free will. God knew of the possibility of man's fall since love/free will necessitates the possibility (not certainty or necessity) of misusing the will in selfish rebellion. God had a perfect, potential plan of redemption that was only implemented after the Fall (Gen. 3) and did not become actual until the first century.

So, God knew of the possibility, not certainty of the Fall. Originally, He said things were 'very good'. When the contingency changed, He was then grieved. A wrong view of foreknowledge compromises the reality of a very good creation that delighted God becoming a fallen one that broke His heart. There was no good excuse for the Fall in light of paradise and God's reasonable requirements.

He created Lucifer, not Satan, Paradise, not pollution.

Open Theism is the view that recognizes that exhaustive definite foreknowledge is not compatible with genuine libertarian free will.

www.opentheism.info

www.gregboyd.org

[godrulz]

Based on modal logic and Scripture, exhaustive definite foreknowledge is not compatible with libertarian free will. CARM is a strident Calvinistic site and fails to recognize the undue pagan philosophical influences on some traditional, classical doctrines. Compatibilistic 'free will' is not genuine free will and is a flawed loophole to retain a flawed view of omniscience (we both agree that God is omniscient, but differ as to the nature of creation....fatalistically fixed/closed vs partially open/unsettled and partially settled). The problem with EDF is that it ultimately makes God responsible for evil (determinism, monergism, monothetism= flawed assumptions by Calvin), contrary to His character. TULIP also limits the love of God and power of His provision.

Most anti-OT sites like CARM misunderstand and misrepresent the view (straw man caricature) or are simply promoting Calvinism and would be just as contrary with Arminianism (Open Theism is a more consistent, biblical Arminianism/free will theism).

Jesus was not a back up plan, but a possible plan that only becomes necessary when the Fall occurs. This fits the chronology and face value Scripture (which your view must anthropomorphize every time a literal reading contradicts a preconceived theology).

Before we exist, God does not know who will go to heaven or hell. This is why the gospel is preached persuasively. TULIP is deductive, unbiblical, and problematic. Relational theism trumps determinism because it is based on love and God's character, not a wrong view of control (God is omnicompetent, not omnicausal).

OT does not deny any biblical attribute of God but seeks to understand them apart from pagan philosophical influences (strong immutability, timelessness, impassibility, etc.).

[TruthFirst]

the foreknowledge of God knew that man would sin in the Garden or Eden..wonder why he later repented that he has made man...when he

new before had he would become a sinner..just a thought if anyone has any things that might shed some light on this?

Your starting off with the wrong understanding of God's foreknowledge which is why you're having difficulty in reconciling the second part of your statement.

What makes you think that God knows something that does not exist or is not knowable? When we humans were not even a thought in God's own mind how can you think that God knew man's decision to rebel? That makes absolutely no sense.

[Guest]

Repent

God Grieved

Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them." Genesis 6:5-7 NASV

Man Hates

"But he who sins against me injures himself;

All those who hate me love death." Proverbs 8:36 NASV

God Loved

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18 NASV

Satan Blinds

in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Corinthians 4:4 NASV

God Wins

the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8 NASV

Saints Worship

Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands,

saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing." Revelation 5:11-12 NASV

So Please God

And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. Hebrews 11:6 NASV

By Trusting

"The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand.

"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." John 3:35-36 NASV

In Jesus

Hallelujah!

Good Hunting Seeker

'You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. Jeremiah 29:13 NASV

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless you, and keep you;

The LORD make His face shine on you,

And be gracious to you;

The LORD lift up His countenance on you,

And give you peace.' Numbers 6:24-26 NASV

"So they shall invoke My name on the sons of Israel, and I then will bless them." Numbers 6:27 NASV

Love, Your Brother Joe

Your words were found and I ate them,

And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart;

For I have been called by Your name,

O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16 NASV

[slim777]

the foreknowledge of God knew that man would sin in the Garden or Eden..wonder why he later repented that he has made man...when he

new before had he would become a sinner..just a thought if anyone has any things that might shed some light on this?

Your starting off with the wrong understanding of God's foreknowledge which is why you're having difficulty in reconciling the second part of your statement.

What makes you think that God knows something that does not exist or is not knowable? When we humans were not even a thought in God's own mind how can you think that God knew man's decision to rebel? That makes absolutely no sense.

are you saying that God did not know before hand that man would sin or what? I admit that i ask a maybe stupid question and you had no problem in bashing my head it but that ok i have a lot of knots on my head already.. no hard feeling on my part,. thanks for you reply ok brother...mountain preacher..

[godrulz]

The reality is that views on perfection, immutability, eternal now, etc. have Platonic vs biblical roots (note I dropped 'pagan'). I would not underestimate bringing bias to the text. A few proof texts with alternate understandings should not be assumed to prove a point.

e.g. the history of timelessness is philosophical, not biblical. If anything, the Bible shows that God is uncreated and eternal with no beginning and no end, but it does not prove He is timeless (this is a philosophical assumption that may or may not be true).

Runningator: Can I assume you hold to simple foreknowledge/Arminianism, if you reject Calvinism? Most Arminians agree with libertarian free will, while compatibilism is Calvinistic.

You suggest God knows who will be saved from trillions of years ago. Unconditional election would explain this, but is totally indefensible. Simple foreknowledge is incoherent since the open future is fundamentally different than the fixed past (hence the 'film' is not there to see yet, even by an omniscient being). The other issue is corporate vs individual election. God elects corporately (Israel/Church). All who believe become part of this foreknown elect (individuals are not foreknown since contingent choices have an element of uncertainty and are not settled to be known as such until they are actualized...may or may not obtain). God knows that He will have a people, but individual salvation is not caused or coerced (so contingent and known as such since God knows reality as it is).

EDF or SFK (simple foreknowledge) offers no providential advantage to God since God could not change that which is foreknown/fixed. Issues of prayer, evangelism, personal responsibility, theodicy, etc. are affected depending which view we hold.

Do you hold to a meticulous control view of sovereignty (Calvinism)?

[Massorite]

the foreknowledge of God knew that man would sin in the Garden or Eden..wonder why he later repented that he has made man...when he

new before had he would become a sinner..just a thought if anyone has any things that might shed some light on this?

This assumes exhaustive definite foreknowledge which is problematic in light of free will. God knew of the possibility of man's fall since love/free will necessitates the possibility (not certainty or necessity) of misusing the will in selfish rebellion. God had a perfect, potential plan of redemption that was only implemented after the Fall (Gen. 3) and did not become actual until the first century.

So, God knew of the possibility, not certainty of the Fall. Originally, He said things were 'very good'. When the contingency changed, He was then grieved. A wrong view of foreknowledge compromises the reality of a very good creation that delighted God becoming a fallen one that broke His heart. There was no good excuse for the Fall in light of paradise and God's reasonable requirements.

He created Lucifer, not Satan, Paradise, not pollution.

Open Theism is the view that recognizes that exhaustive definite foreknowledge is not compatible with genuine libertarian free will.

www.opentheism.info

www.gregboyd.org

A most excellent reply godrulz.

[cymba22]

the foreknowledge of God knew that man would sin in the Garden or Eden..wonder why he later repented that he has made man...when he

new before had he would become a sinner..just a thought if anyone has any things that might shed some light on this?

Where does it say he repenteds that he made man?..scripture please...thanks.

[Floatingaxe]

the foreknowledge of God knew that man would sin in the Garden or Eden..wonder why he later repented that he has made man...when he

new before had he would become a sinner..just a thought if anyone has any things that might shed some light on this?

Where does it say he repenteds that he made man?..scripture please...thanks.

Genesis 6:6

And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.