explain why God was sorry he made man?

[Guest shiloh357]

the foreknowledge of God knew that man would sin in the Garden or Eden..wonder why he later repented that he has made man...when he

new before had he would become a sinner..just a thought if anyone has any things that might shed some light on this?

Where does it say he repenteds that he made man?..scripture please...thanks.

Genesis 6:6

And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

the earth...not man...big differance.

You might be sorry that you bought the house your family lives in...do you hate your family that lives in it? no....

The Lord regretted that He made man on the earth. That is plainly spoken in Scripture. I see no regret that He created the earth.

actually, the Hebrew, it does not say He regretted making man. That is a carnal interpretation. In the Hebrew, it states that He grieved over man, not that He felt creating man was a mistake He regreted making.

[slim777]

the foreknowledge of God knew that man would sin in the Garden or Eden..wonder why he later repented that he has made man...when he

new before had he would become a sinner..just a thought if anyone has any things that might shed some light on this?

This assumes exhaustive definite foreknowledge which is problematic in light of free will. God knew of the possibility of man's fall since love/free will necessitates the possibility (not certainty or necessity) of misusing the will in selfish rebellion. God had a perfect, potential plan of redemption that was only implemented after the Fall (Gen. 3) and did not become actual until the first century.

So, God knew of the possibility, not certainty of the Fall. Originally, He said things were 'very good'. When the contingency changed, He was then grieved. A wrong view of foreknowledge compromises the reality of a very good creation that delighted God becoming a fallen one that broke His heart. There was no good excuse for the Fall in light of paradise and God's reasonable requirements.

He created Lucifer, not Satan, Paradise, not pollution.

Open Theism is the view that recognizes that exhaustive definite foreknowledge is not compatible with genuine libertarian free will.

www.opentheism.info

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you are a smart person and i do thank you for answering that question that had me trouble all my life..thanks so much we love you as Christ loves us both..preacher from the mountain

[Guest shiloh357]

I do not need to know the future exhaustively to kill a bug. It is about ability/power, not foreknowledge. This is explicit in Is. 46 and 48 in relation to how God knows some of the future. You don't get it. Can Haiti win a war against the military might of America? Is this about EDF or ability/power? You underestimate God and overestimate Satan and man.

Except that we don't see your reasoning applied that way in Scripture. When God made specific prophecies about things that would happen in the future, He was very precise. For example, God predicted crucifixion hundreds of years before the Romans invented it. God did create crucifixion, the Bible does not in any place attribute it to Him, but yet He predicted it.

God predicted that when Israel is reborn in the last days, that the shekel would be the currency they would use. And it is. He even predicted the exact land that Jews returning to the Land of Israel would purchase and you can take a modern map of Israel and the land purchased by the Jews from absentee Land owners mathes perfectly the parcels of land predicted by the prophet Jeremian in Jer. 32, right down to the cities of the Negev. The precision and accuracy of God's ability to prophecy the future defies the idea that He some things are just not known to Him. And we are not even talking about things that God is forcing to occur.

Your god is ignorant. The God of the Bible is all-knowing. He knows all that is, and all that can and will happen, right down to the movement of an ant. There is nothing that is not known to HIM.

God does factor in many things based on His intelligence, possibilities, probabilites, knowledge of the past and present, etc.

God does not "factor" in anything. God knows all possibilities. God does not need probabilities. He knows the future, because He is already there.

You are wrongly assuming He is limited like man, ironically

Sorry, but you the one limiting God.

God does take some risks.

I am sorry but that is just laughable. No one who truly knows God believes that.

The Fall of man, the evil of Hitler, etc. are all things He did not desire nor intend, yet He is able to respond providentially without meticulous control or EDF and bring about His project in the end (despite casualties with many suffering now and in eternity in the lake of fire). If He was omnicausal, suffering and hell would not exist.

First of all, no one said God is omncausal. That is where the strawman is in this. God already knew Hitler would exist, He foreknew the horrors of the Holocaust jsut like He knows that people will take the Mark of the Beast. God created Hell for satan and His angels. So your argument really doesn't hold up.

God is limitless except where He choses self-limitations like giving us a say-so in His image.

The problem is that is not a limitation on God's part.

There is a wealth of biblical evidence for the Open View, but it comes down to interpretation.

There is only ONE interpretation where Scripture is concerned. Open Theism isn't it.

I can take them at face value as God's self-revelation, a superior hermeneutic.

Hermeneutics is something you do not demontrate any skill in. 30 years of study is meaningless if it is wrong study.

[godrulz]

Hermeneutics, the art and science of Bible interpretation is very important. A hermeneutic that must anthropomorphize literal statements to retain a preconceived theology is not strong.

Calvinists and classical theologians do subscribe to meticulous control. If you are an Arminian simple foreknowledge type, I would suggest that Open Theism is a more consistent, biblical free will theism (closer to Arm. than Calv. anyway).

God is omniscient and not limited in both our views. Your failure to see this shows a lack of grasp of the open view.

[traveller]

that is why I call myself a Calminian

[Floatingaxe]

the foreknowledge of God knew that man would sin in the Garden or Eden..wonder why he later repented that he has made man...when he

new before had he would become a sinner..just a thought if anyone has any things that might shed some light on this?

Where does it say he repenteds that he made man?..scripture please...thanks.

Genesis 6:6

And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

the earth...not man...big differance.

You might be sorry that you bought the house your family lives in...do you hate your family that lives in it? no....

The Lord regretted that He made man on the earth. That is plainly spoken in Scripture. I see no regret that He created the earth.

actually, the Hebrew, it does not say He regretted making man. That is a carnal interpretation. In the Hebrew, it states that He grieved over man, not that He felt creating man was a mistake He regreted making.

Yes, Scripture us clearly representing the fact that God regretted that He created mankind. That is what Scripture is telling us. The point I made was versus the idea that God somehow regretted creating the earth, but not mankind, as one poster has said.

[godrulz]

Hermeneutics, the art and science of Bible interpretation is very important. A hermeneutic that must anthropomorphize literal statements to retain a preconceived theology is not strong.

I am not sure where I have anthropomorphized any statements.

Calvinists and classical theologians do subscribe to meticulous control. If you are an Arminian simple foreknowledge type, I would suggest that Open Theism is a more consistent, biblical free will theism (closer to Arm. than Calv. anyway).

that is why I call myself a Calminian

God is omniscient and not limited in both our views. Your failure to see this shows a lack of grasp of the open view.

Without a doubt I cannot grasp the open view. this is not my first bursh with it and I still cannot grasp it. I did a short paper on it for a theology class and still dont get it. And to be very honest, I dont get how you read the Bible and get an open theology. I know that you do and it seems right, but I just dont see it at all. To me God is not omniscient in the open view as there are things he does not/cannot know. You say he is because he knows all that is knowable, but that just does not compute with me!

anything that puts the God's knoweldge of the future as a "possibility or probability" just flat out seems wrong

It is not possible to have a hybrid view of Calvinism-Arminianism. Any compromise of TULIP is a problem....it is all 5 points or nothing (at least according to Calvinists...and I think they are right).

I appreciate the initial difficulty accepting the Open View or understanding it. I also went through this as a young Christian and tried to make a hybrid view myself. I consider it the most profound, exciting understanding about theology I have apart from the basics of the Christian faith.

Where do you study theology? I am pleased that we likely agree on the essentials of the faith: Deity of Christ, resurrection of Christ, Bible as the Word of God, justification by grace through faith alone, etc.

The debate really is not so much about omniscience or God, but the openness of creation. Did God create a settled creation or one with free moral agents, contingencies, some aspects unsettled, etc.?

[Floatingaxe]

Yes, Scripture us clearly representing the fact that God regretted that He created mankind. That is what Scripture is telling us. The point I made was versus the idea that God somehow regretted creating the earth, but not mankind, as one poster has said.

is it your belief that God had no idea that man would be so evil and that is why he "regretted" that he made man kind?

No, but he was grieved and regretted creating us. He actually experienced man's rejection and depravity. His foreknowledge did not encompass his experiencing what man dished out, and when He experienced the actual rejection of His ways and His personhood, He suffered painful regret, and anger.

[Guest shiloh357]

the foreknowledge of God knew that man would sin in the Garden or Eden..wonder why he later repented that he has made man...when he

new before had he would become a sinner..just a thought if anyone has any things that might shed some light on this?

Where does it say he repenteds that he made man?..scripture please...thanks.

Genesis 6:6

And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

the earth...not man...big differance.

You might be sorry that you bought the house your family lives in...do you hate your family that lives in it? no....

The Lord regretted that He made man on the earth. That is plainly spoken in Scripture. I see no regret that He created the earth.

actually, the Hebrew, it does not say He regretted making man. That is a carnal interpretation. In the Hebrew, it states that He grieved over man, not that He felt creating man was a mistake He regreted making.

Yes, Scripture us clearly representing the fact that God regretted that He created mankind. That is what Scripture is telling us. The point I made was versus the idea that God somehow regretted creating the earth, but not mankind, as one poster has said.

Genesis was not written in English FA. I realize your pride will not make room for it, but the original word in Hebrew as it is used in Genesis 6:6, for "repent" does not mean what it means in English. The Hebrew is far more precise. Here is the problem: The Bible also says that God does NOT repent:

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken and shall he not make it good?

[Guest precher007]

Messianic prophecies are under God's control. God incarnates, lives, and dies independent of finite man to stop this. Isaiah 46 and 48 show how God fulfills prophecy: it is by His ABILITY, not supposed exhaustive crystal ball foreknowledge. He declares things and brings them to pass.

So God made all the people invovled do what they had to do for the messianic prophecies to come true? The people that did the things they did were just puppets under God's control and had no free will to do otherwise?

I can declare that I am going to the bank tomorrow. I do not have to be prescient to make this come to pass. I just need a car and keys (ability, not foreknowledge).

and your car could be stolen, your house could catch fire, your dog could get sick, there are a million things that could stop you from going to the bank. When you say that you are going to the bank tomorrow you are making a plan that you cant know for sure will happen. This is not how I picture God, this is a god not worthy of worship

As well, these are specific things and cannot be extrapolated to include who will win every sports event, or which moves every chess player will ever make from eternity past, etc.

that is because you are not God. Why do you want to make God in our image instead of the other way around?

express to me how you see God and explain his nature and charactor toward man.?. God ways are higher than mans ways and his thoughts are not man thoughts, God made all thing it don't take much wisdom to know that all the substances that are was made and desighned by God..God has the ablility of making all things and he has the ability to set the rules for all mankind. according to the Holy Bible he is a pure Holy God , he is just meaning there is know things about him that is not Pure or holy. scientist who claim that we evolved from and ape or monkey are missing the mark this is a false teaching sceamed by mankind.. man cannot explain the earth and explain how it was made..God don't set down and give the formula of how it made all things but that he made them all without instruction of how he made them , the Bible says that God spoke things into being, tell me one man who can speak things into becoming reality. as smarts as man claims he is" he cannot produce one grain of sand.. are you and infidel or Atheist?