Why can Satan never be redeemed?

[glorywatch]

Lily, the Bible tells us who Satan is and what he once was. Choosing to believer otherwise if folly. We may not like the idea, but it really doesn't matter because the truth is the truth no matter if we disagree.

Satan's fall from heaven - Isaiah 14:12-15

Satan as adversary - Job 16:9

Satan's role as accuser: - Job 1:12, Zechariah 3:1-2

Only authority over evil - Jude 9

Revelation 12:7-9 describes the war in heaven between Satan and the angels

The first chapter of JOB tells us a lot about who Satan is and what he does. All that Satan is and does is in direct conflict with God.

[traveller]

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

From the description above - it is clear that he opposed God and did not partner with Him.

[AnotherTraveler]

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

From the description above - it is clear that he opposed God and did not partner with Him.

[Godfearer]

Jesus was born a man child. not an angel child. we are the people of his pasture, the apple of his eye. we are made so God can have a people and be worshiped, and adored, so He can have Agape love feasts with those made in his likeness and his image. The Word says He is our husband in Spirit. the angels are invited to the marrige supper???

off topic but something i have been meditating on lately. scripture says when a man and woman marry God looks at them as ONE FLESH. and we have been invited to the marrige supper of the lamb.

[exrockstar]

This question never entered my mind before, but since someone wrote about Satan could never repent or something like that, now I wonder.

Why is there no posibility of redemption for Satan or demons? If Satan and demons are beings created by God and were originally good, why is it now never possible for them to repent?

why do we assume that Satan's time to repent has not passed?

our time to accept Christ has to be done before our own death. therefore, we have our lifetime to confess with our mouth and believe that Christ is our saviour in order for us to be saved.

When we die...our time is up.

so....it is safe to conclude when Satan turned he was given time to repent. He passed it up. He has been found guilty before man was created. He rejected to repent in the time frame he was given.

We can see that God has already found him guilty because He calls him a "fallen angel" through His word.

What Satan is waiting for is his punishment. We see that in the scriptures.

note that there are no hard feelings. God is not threatened by Satan nor does He hate Satan.

[LilyPotter]

traveller and glorywatch, this scripture has often bothered me:

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

From the description above - it is clear that he opposed God and did not partner with Him.

I haven't looked at this in a while, but as I remember, the original translation just says "morning star". We equate the word "Lucifer" with Satan, but the literal translation is morning star. There is no reason to be confident that this scripture is even talking about Satan to begin with. Besides, it's right in the midst of talking about someone else, maybe Nebechaddnezzer? I don't remember exactly, but it's talking about some other arrogant skunk.

Satan's backstory is never specifically narrated in the Bible, as far as I know. The story of how Satan came to be is based on church tradition.

Also, why would God's holy beings ever "turn" on him? Isn't the power to choose good or evil a uniquely human characteristic? Angels are supposed to be those who carry out God's plans without choice to do otherwise. That is the whole purpose of humans having the uniquely human characteristic of being able to choose good or evil, to choose to be on God's team or not.

And if Satan has already been judged, why does he need to wait around for his punishment? If there is no possibility of redemption, why not just bind him up and chuck him in the Lake of Fire now? Why the big wait?

[exrockstar]

And if Satan has already been judged, why does he need to wait around for his punishment? If there is no possibility of redemption, why not just bind him up and chuck him in the Lake of Fire now? Why the big wait?

there is a scripture somewhere that i may have to look for. it says that God uses evil for the good.

example, Judas was evil and destined to go to hell before he was born. Yet, that evil turned in Christ for the good of man.

Satan is needed for the good of the Church. he's also needed to let man see God's justice take place. This example is made for man, the angels and any other things in the universe.

There are many more things i can add but i'll this for now.

[LilyPotter]

it says that God uses evil for the good.

example, Judas was evil and destined to go to hell before he was born. Yet, that evil turned in Christ for the good of man.

Satan is needed for the good of the Church. he's also needed to let man see God's justice take place.

Right, ex, but that fits with the Orth. Jewish POV that I was talking about. Satan's purposes (in this view) are not in conflict with God's purposes; he is carring out the tempter element that is necessary in God's purposes.

[glorywatch]

traveller and glorywatch, this scripture has often bothered me:

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

From the description above - it is clear that he opposed God and did not partner with Him.

I haven't looked at this in a while, but as I remember, the original translation just says "morning star". We equate the word "Lucifer" with Satan, but the literal translation is morning star. There is no reason to be confident that this scripture is even talking about Satan to begin with. Besides, it's right in the midst of talking about someone else, maybe Nebechaddnezzer? I don't remember exactly, but it's talking about some other arrogant skunk.

Satan's backstory is never specifically narrated in the Bible, as far as I know. The story of how Satan came to be is based on church tradition.

Also, why would God's holy beings ever "turn" on him? Isn't the power to choose good or evil a uniquely human characteristic? Angels are supposed to be those who carry out God's plans without choice to do otherwise. That is the whole purpose of humans having the uniquely human characteristic of being able to choose good or evil, to choose to be on God's team or not.

And if Satan has already been judged, why does he need to wait around for his punishment? If there is no possibility of redemption, why not just bind him up and chuck him in the Lake of Fire now? Why the big wait?

Satan/Lucifer are described in similar ways in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. Satan's background is described in Ezekiel and all throughout Scripture. It does take time to connect all the dots so to speak. Its not like you can say turn to page so and so and therer is the explaination of Satan.

God created all beings with a will. Being able to choose is not unique to humans. Even the angels can choose not to serve God, which is what Satan did along with one third of the angels. God wants us to love him, he doesn't force us to. That would not really be love now would it.

God has his own time table and things are done according to HIS plan and in His time.

It's good to ask questions, but ultimately, you have to search the Scriptures on your own. We are told to search the Scriptures. God does not withhold understanding from anyone who is truly seeking to know Him and His Word.

Doubt on what the Word of God says comes strictly from Satan. He cast doubt on God's Word in the garden when he asked Eve, "Hath God said?" Yes God hath said. It's called THE WORD!

[EricH]

The scriptures do not tell us why or that he can't be. Only that he won't be