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Look at any building. How do we know there was a builder? The building is proof of the existence of a builder. Look at a painting, how do we know there was a painter? The painting itself acts as proof there was a painter. How then can we not say, that creation is then proof of a creator?

The following is much information that I have gathered refuting the myth of Evolution.

An article in U.S. News & World Report stated,

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Wow, and I thought JM had some long posts. It looks interesting, though. Will be back to read over time.


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I have a few areas that I want to touch upon briefly. I'll focus on two of your points.

Point 1: Creation implies there must be a creator.

Point 2: Dogs don't give birth to cogs or dats etc.

Point 1:

Suppose what you say is true, that creation requires that there be a creator. First, why does this creator necessarily need to be "God"? Why couldn't this creator be the big bang, or some other strange force?

Second, if we settle on the idea that there was a creator, how do you know that the creator is "your" God? Why not Allah, or Zeus, or some other force that humans have not recognized yet? You could use this argument to try and prove that the universe was created by a supreme being, but you can't prove that the Christian God was the one behind it all.

Finally, it seems like the key point that people deal with is the fact that no one can say where the big bang theory originated. It is argued that someone or something must have started things off, and they use this idea to prove the existence of a God. But I say to those who say this: then who created God? The inevitable answer would be that "He always existed". But then doesn't that go against the entire "creator -> creation" argument? Who created the creator? If one simply reintroduces the idea that the creator was always in existence, couldn't someone else argue that the universe was always in existence?

Point 2: The theory of evolution assumes that the earth is millions of years old, and that it took ages for animals to evolve. When you look at the existence of humanity, we are but a speck in time, with our thousands of years on Earth. That is but a blip on the timeline. It is therefore not too surprising that we don't notice many changes with the animal life we deal with on a daily basis.


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Second, if we settle on the idea that there was a creator, how do you know that the creator is "your" God? Why not Allah, or

Um, Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the SAME God...

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Second, if we settle on the idea that there was a creator, how do you know that the creator is "your" God? Why not Allah, or

Um, Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the SAME God...

I think that a lot of people on these boards would disagree with you there.


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You are correct...


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Great post.

I personally know that it's God that created us simply because of my relationship with Him. His work is evident in my life. That may be hard to comprehend- I've heard the Invisible Pink Unicorn argument used- but it's a fact nonetheless. Not to mention the Bible- greatest book in the world, I say. I'll admit it's a scary world out there with all those different religions (Islam, Muslim, Judaism, Buddhism, so on and so forth), but my life thus far as a born-again Christian has definately produced fruit- fruit that's described many a time in the Bible.


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I have a few areas that I want to touch upon briefly. I'll focus on two of your points.

Point 1: Creation implies there must be a creator.

Point 2: Dogs don't give birth to cogs or dats etc.

Point 1:

Suppose what you say is true, that creation requires that there be a creator. First, why does this creator necessarily need to be "God"? Why couldn't this creator be the big bang, or some other strange force?

Second, if we settle on the idea that there was a creator, how do you know that the creator is "your" God? Why not Allah, or Zeus, or some other force that humans have not recognized yet? You could use this argument to try and prove that the universe was created by a supreme being, but you can't prove that the Christian God was the one behind it all.

Finally, it seems like the key point that people deal with is the fact that no one can say where the big bang theory originated. It is argued that someone or something must have started things off, and they use this idea to prove the existence of a God. But I say to those who say this: then who created God? The inevitable answer would be that "He always existed". But then doesn't that go against the entire "creator -> creation" argument? Who created the creator? If one simply reintroduces the idea that the creator was always in existence, couldn't someone else argue that the universe was always in existence?

Point 2: The theory of evolution assumes that the earth is millions of years old, and that it took ages for animals to evolve. When you look at the existence of humanity, we are but a speck in time, with our thousands of years on Earth. That is but a blip on the timeline. It is therefore not too surprising that we don't notice many changes with the animal life we deal with on a daily basis.

as to your second point, how to know the creator, this is the next step after acknowledging that there is indeed a creator. logically, you would believe something exists before beginning to search for it, right?


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Here is the basic problem with Evolution. I can continuously list fact after fact, find hundreds of references supporting my claims that evolution does not exist. I'm sure that any evolutionist could in turn give me example after example of why they think evolution is indeed a fact.

Nothing I say will convince you otherwise. The Bible even explains why this is.

1 Corinthians 1:27

"But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty."

I heard a sermon once, by Ray Comfort

In it he spoke of a man who came as a guest speaker to a church. This speaker went on and on and on listing fact after fact, quoting all sorts of authors, and educated people about how Jesus did not rise from the grave. After he was finished he asked if anyone had any questions. An old man stood up with an apple in his hand. He took a bite of the apple, chewed it for a bit and said, "Yeah, I have a questions for ya." He took another bite of the apple, chewed it for a bit and said "In fact its a fairly simple question." He took yet another bite of the apple chewed and said " Can you tell me this, is this apple sweet or is it sour?" The speaker said "I couldn't tell you, I haven't tasted it." The old man then replied "Exactly, and you haven't tasted of my God either." Everyone in that building stood up and cheered.

Let me ask everyone a few questions, and really think about this,

Have you ever told a lie, stolen anything, or used God's name in vain? Jesus said, "Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Have you looked with lust? Will you be guilty on Judgment Day? If you have done those things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. The Bible warns that if you are guilty you will end up in Hell. That's not God's will. He sent His Son to suffer and die on the cross for you. You broke God's Law, but Jesus paid your fine. That means He can legally dismiss your case. He can commute your death sentence: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." Then He rose from the dead and defeated death. Please, repent (turn from sin) today and trust in Jesus alone, and God will grant you the gift of everlasting life. Then read your Bible daily and obey it.

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There is a period oftime between the first and second verse of the the bible, the age of the planet is billions of years. As for life, that is another story. There is adaptation, but not evolution. Bt adaptation I mean dogs are different today than 2 thousand yrs ago, but they are still dogs. etc etc etc. Evolution implies a premordial soup which is tiotal bull. Besides, the miller experiment has been proven to be false, the atmosphere he used is not what was on the planet years ago. Besides, being able to create amino acids and peptieds is not the same as creating a cell. You can mix all amino acids together in a jar and come back in a million years, I assure you there will not be life

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