Lucy and our faith

[mtmom]

But "I've got mine" isn't enough for me. I want to be ready in season and out to give an answer for that faith. I am not afraid of the questions, which does not mean I know all the answers. It does mean that I know God is truth and we will finally catch up and prove the truth that believers know through Him or He will come back. But in the meantime there will be seekers, scoffers and those with weaker faith (like the whole eating meat to idols thing Paul talks about) - for them I seek an answer with all that God has given me, with all the Holy Spirit brings at the time the answer is needed. I don't just want mine - I want to take some people with me on this wonderful relationship with Christ journey. I want them to live = to have faith.

[nebula]

Hey mtmom -

You might find this thread interesting:

New Creation Perspectives

[Guest man]

But "I've got mine" isn't enough for me. I want to be ready in season and out to give an answer for that faith. I am not afraid of the questions, which does not mean I know all the answers. It does mean that I know God is truth and we will finally catch up and prove the truth that believers know through Him or He will come back. But in the meantime there will be seekers, scoffers and those with weaker faith (like the whole eating meat to idols thing Paul talks about) - for them I seek an answer with all that God has given me, with all the Holy Spirit brings at the time the answer is needed. I don't just want mine - I want to take some people with me on this wonderful relationship with Christ journey. I want them to live = to have faith.

Matthew 13

3 Then He spoke many things to them in parables, saying:

[Matthitjah]

But "I've got mine" isn't enough for me. I want to be ready in season and out to give an answer for that faith. I am not afraid of the questions, which does not mean I know all the answers. It does mean that I know God is truth and we will finally catch up and prove the truth that believers know through Him or He will come back. But in the meantime there will be seekers, scoffers and those with weaker faith (like the whole eating meat to idols thing Paul talks about) - for them I seek an answer with all that God has given me, with all the Holy Spirit brings at the time the answer is needed. I don't just want mine - I want to take some people with me on this wonderful relationship with Christ journey. I want them to live = to have faith.

Grace to you,

I hear the Holy Spirit, be blessed dear lady.

Peace,

Dave

[mtmom]

How big is your God? My God is big enough not to be afraid of people's unbelief. My God is big enough to love them and still give them the choice to reject or accept Him? My God is big enough to not be deterred by seekers questions. I don't know how many unbeleivers you have talked to, but I can only give you my personal experience of talking to many. Quoting scripture to a person who doesn't beleive in the Holy Word doesn't work well. They will quote science or myticisim or new age or something and proport something like my book is as much truth as yours. We beleive that scripture is the authored Word of God - truth. Not all non-believers believe that. Also if faith is active, if the relationship with Christ is breathing and living, if the Holy Spirit is preparing the way in someone's life and if I am listening to His leading - the answers will be in the form the seeker needs. It is not me answering - it is the Spirit of God in me answering the prepared spirit of the seeker. The person who asked this question of me was past believer but was unwilling to accept the Biblical explanation. They wanted to know if there was other supporting knowledge and so we looked for it. And lo and behold there was other supporting knowledge. I find this a good thing, a preparation given by God for the next seeker He may send my way and an answer to my friend. Yes all the answers are in the Bible, but not everyone believes in the Bible. And God in His gracious wisdom as given us the ability to find the support of His plan and His truth in other places. Why would that surprise anyone? The truth of God runs through every molecule of the world and is told of in the Bible. If someone won't take the word of the Bible then find God's truth as it permeates the world. God's truth doesn't stop at the book - it shows up through all of life and the world.

[Guest man]

How big is your God? My God is big enough not to be afraid of people's unbelief. My God is big enough to love them and still give them the choice to reject or accept Him? My God is big enough to not be deterred by seekers questions. I don't know how many unbeleivers you have talked to, but I can only give you my personal experience of talking to many. Quoting scripture to a person who doesn't beleive in the Holy Word doesn't work well. They will quote science or myticisim or new age or something and proport something like my book is as much truth as yours. We beleive that scripture is the authored Word of God - truth. Not all non-believers believe that. Also if faith is active, if the relationship with Christ is breathing and living, if the Holy Spirit is preparing the way in someone's life and if I am listening to His leading - the answers will be in the form the seeker needs. It is not me answering - it is the Spirit of God in me answering the prepared spirit of the seeker. The person who asked this question of me was past believer but was unwilling to accept the Biblical explanation. They wanted to know if there was other supporting knowledge and so we looked for it. And lo and behold there was other supporting knowledge. I find this a good thing, a preparation given by God for the next seeker He may send my way and an answer to my friend. Yes all the answers are in the Bible, but not everyone believes in the Bible. And God in His gracious wisdom as given us the ability to find the support of His plan and His truth in other places. Why would that surprise anyone? The truth of God runs through every molecule of the world and is told of in the Bible. If someone won't take the word of the Bible then find God's truth as it permeates the world. God's truth doesn't stop at the book - it shows up through all of life and the world.

Yeah, I suppose you're right. We all have our own way of doing things.

I just believe that if someone is truly searching for God, they'll find Him. If they need proof, they'll have to go looking for it themselves because I don't have it. I know God exists but I can't prove to anyone that He does. To me, that proof comes by faith.

If ones heart is willing, God will prove Himself.

[Guest man]

If they need proof, they'll have to go looking for it themselves because I don't have it. I know God exists but I can't prove to anyone that He does. To me, that proof comes by faith.

The problem here is that faith requires belief in God to begin with. I don't know, but it seems to me that faith allows a person to satisfied that there is a God without requiring proof. If a person requires proof then for them faith alone isn't enough. I think that was the case for me.

If one truly believes in their heart that God does exists, He will strengthen that belief with proof that He actually does exist.

It's hard to explain that to someone who doesn't believe. What's proof to me, isn't proof to you or anyone else.

In the end I thought I found even more reason within the Old Testament for not believing, and I found that while I was searching for God.

Maybe you should give the New Testament a whirl.....who knows.

Keep searching........

[Guest man]

This thread actually gave me a headache. So much disinformation and dishonesty makes me wonder why I go to church instead of a psychiatrist.

[Guest HIS girl]

I don't know, but it seems to me that faith allows a person to satisfied that there is a God without requiring proof. If a person requires proof then for them faith alone isn't enough. I think that was the case for me.

I'm going to jump right in here and deviate a little from the OP...

Cycel listen -

The proof for me Cycel was from within ME..it was NOT an exterior proof but what was happening inside of me..a changing of heart and attitudes.

THIS is where some people go wrong. They are forever looking for external evidence for God (hello!! nature speaks volumes about intelligent design...) but all the while it is the internal workings of God that are proof enough..

I am a different woman than I used to be 10 years ago, 5 years ago...and I have never once been to counselling sessions or any other session for self help...my personal trainer was God Himself with the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the death of Jesus Christ that changed me from the Spiritually dead person that walked this earth at one time..

I am living proof that there is a God, because I could NOT have changed myself no matter how hard I tried or how much money I spent on professional help.

And the thing is..I ALLOWED myself to be transformed...I didn't kick against the goads...

[Guest HIS girl]

but all the while it is the internal workings of God that are proof enough..

This is the very thing I don't understand. Why are the internal workings of God proof enough? Would the internal workings in other people of Allah, or Lord Ganesh or Buddah be proof enough of the existence of those gods? What points you to a Christian God when all these other gods are doing so much internal work in others as well?

I can't answer for the others.

I haven't studied Islam, I don't know any Muslims, I am not 100% familiar with Buddha and the gods of India...well I do not know all the multitude of their gods - rat, monkey etc..so I can't speak on behalf of those and the workings in the lives of their adherents.

MY proof is in me..MY family can attest to the change in ME. My lifestyle shouts of change for the BETTER since I came into contact with Christianity and Jesus Christ.

The proof is IN me that there is Power in the Name of Jesus Christ and He is alive and well in me today, this very minute...