Jews and JESUS

[kross]

Looking for what our Jewish believers understand.

For a number of years I have felt as if scripture says that Israel, as GODs chosen, is not lost because of rejecting JESUS. That those who hold true to the belief that Messiah is coming to redeem them and have believed the promises of GOD, are still GOD's chosen people and will still be redeemed by HIM in the end.

I know that there are those who are jews who have done the kind of things that would loose them their position with GOD, but I sometimes think not all Jews who do not believe are lost.

Even though this is opposite of what most Christians believe.

Can I get some insights from those who are in a position to know.

Also, if Israel will still attain to the promise in their unbelief, where does JESUS fit in with the unbelieving jewish nation?

Thank you in advance for not attacking me for my ignorance.

[tinsnail]

Two items back to you....

1. Paul assented to the death of christians, and confessed that God had mercy on him because he was in ignorance. Did God take him back?

2. What if Jesus was not part of a trinity, and he was a man, born of a virgin..and God was his father? ...and God is One. What would the Jews say to this?

Cliff

[Botz]

Hi Kross....It will be good to see what Jewish Believers understand from your comments.

I do not think it will detract from what the Scriptures already reveal...it is just that some others (not necessarily Jewish believers) might promulgate a national redemption that to many Christians seems to bypass the 'blood'....'quoting the section about "...all Israel shall be saved." Which in itself will lead to a brief semantics course in textual context and just who constitutes this 'Israel', and whether it involves the 'Church' of all 'saved human beings', or is specifically meaning all Jewish people.

I will also sit....no...stand in the shadows and listen.

[Smalcald]

There are already many many Jews who are saved through Christ and have been saved through Christ, starting with the first Churches in Isreal. We have prophecy that many more will be saved through Him.

However no one, Jew, Gentile etc will be saved outside of Jesus Christ.

My opinion is that we should not make rash judgements about whole nations or people's based on what we currently know about them or not. Just becuase most Jews living in Isreal today are not Christians does not mean in 100 years most Jews living in Isreal won't be Christians. We only see a tiny part of eternal reality.

[EricH]

There are already many many Jews who are saved through Christ and have been saved through Christ, starting with the first Churches in Isreal. We have prophecy that many more will be saved through Him.

However no one, Jew, Gentile etc will be saved outside of Jesus Christ.

My opinion is that we should not make rash judgements about whole nations or people's based on what we currently know about them or not. Just becuase most Jews living in Isreal today are not Christians does not mean in 100 years most Jews living in Isreal won't be Christians. We only see a tiny part of eternal reality.

Agreed

[kross]

I should add that I believe the nation of Israel will believe at HIS second coming.

[EricH]

Two items back to you....

1. Paul assented to the death of christians, and confessed that God had mercy on him because he was in ignorance. Did God take him back?

God did not "take Paul back". When Paul was persecuting believers, he did not have a saving relationship with God in Christ. Paul had an encounter with the risen Christ and trusted in him alone for salvation. It was at that point he entered into a relationship with God. God's act of mercy in Paul's life was the encounter with Jesus.

2. What if Jesus was not part of a trinity, and he was a man, born of a virgin..and God was his father? ...and God is One. What would the Jews say to this?

Cliff

Are you asking how Jewish people would feel about Jesus if He were not God?

[nebula]

I will add one thing.

Jesus warned us about not separating the "wheat and the tares."

This is His job, not ours.

[Tehilah Ba'Aretz]

"Duel Covenant" theology is convenient and attractive to some Jewish people but I can't find it in the Bible. I do not believe that there is an alternative way to an eternal relationship with the Almighty. Israel will indeed be saved as it says in the Bible. The details of how that works is something I'll enjoy learning...when it happens. Jewish people who do not have a relationship with God, however, are not saved and will not be unless they come to God by faith.

[Guest yod]

Peter spoke this to the jews

Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: "Rulers and elders of the people! 9 If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a cripple and are asked how he was healed, 10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11 He is " 'the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone. 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

So it seems that this is true for all men....especially the jews since they were told first.

It would be cruel of God to let His Son be crucified if there were another way....