The final assualt on the Bible/God...?

[Guest man]

Full legal Gay marriage will happen in the US within the next 20 years I have no doubt

Well we are already suffering the ramifications NOW with this agenda being pushed a little closer within in our communities.

We already see confused children in regard to sexuality and the true role of men/women -

What mess will it be in 20 years time? 10 years form now?

If we as a Church - united Body in Christ - slip in our duty to uphold His Word, who is accountable? Won't it be the Body?

Do you believe God will hold everyone accountable for what happens in church?

[Guest shiloh357]

Again, another example of someone being totally alone and unprofitable, because they don't attend church.

No I didn't say that. What I am saying is that whatever you DO have is augmented and amplified by plugging into a fellowship.

What makes you think you are such a hotshot that you don't need fellowship?

[Guest HIS girl]

you miss out on blessings in your life through another Bro or Sis of Christ (directed by God)

Explain those statements, especially the "God's direction and directed by God" thing.

God used me and my Pastors wife (seperately) once to give a box of food and miscellaneous items that were given to me, from the Pastors wife - I did not need it in any way - I rang the wife and explained that my cupboards were full and I would rather she gave it to another family in Church - she refused. So I had it sitting in the lounge room, when the next day I was witness to a car accident involving a young family who were obviously down and out. It was right before Christmas, 2004...anyway, it was very strong on my heart to give this box of food to THAT family.

I tracked down where they lived and delivered it to them. They needed it.

This all unfolded because I went to that Church and I fit the requirements for Church Christmas help(the food box) - being a single Mum.

The amazing thing is I had become a member of that Chuch in 2001 and left it in early 2007 and that Christmas of 04 was the ONLY time I was given a food box - and I didn't need it.

To me, that was God's doing through the Church, to me - flowing onto that family involved in the accident.

That's what I mean by God's direction..

[Guest man]

Again, another example of someone being totally alone and unprofitable, because they don't attend church.

No I didn't say that. What I am saying is that whatever you DO have is augmented and amplified by plugging into a fellowship.

What makes you think you are such a hotshot that you don't need fellowship?

I don't believe I ever stated that.

[Guest HIS girl]

Do you believe God will hold everyone accountable for what happens in church?

Of course not but if we see a need and not do anything and knowingly turn a blind eye - that is something that needs to be explained.

[Guest man]

you miss out on blessings in your life through another Bro or Sis of Christ (directed by God)

Explain those statements, especially the "God's direction and directed by God" thing.

God used me and my Pastors wife (seperately) once to give a box of food and miscellaneous items that were given to me, from the Pastors wife - I did not need it in any way - I rang the wife and explained that my cupboards were full and I would rather she gave it to another family in Church - she refused. So I had it sitting in the lounge room, when the next day I was witness to a car accident involving a young family who were obviously down and out. It was right before Christmas, 2004...anyway, it was very strong on my heart to give this box of food to THAT family.

I tracked down where they lived and delivered it to them. They needed it.

This all unfolded because I went to that Church and I fit the requirements for Church Christmas help(the food box) - being a single Mum.

The amazing thing is I had become a member of that Chuch in 2001 and left it in early 2007 and that Christmas of 04 was the ONLY time I was given a food box - and I didn't need it.

To me, that was God's doing through the Church, to me - flowing onto that family involved in the accident.

That's what I mean by God's direction..

So do you believe things like that "only" happen in church?

God isn't active anywhere else but within a church?

[Guest man]

Do you believe God will hold everyone accountable for what happens in church?

Of course not but if we see a need and not do anything and knowingly turn a blind eye - that is something that needs to be explained.

What kind of need?

[Guest shiloh357]

How is my impact any greater inside a church as in one? What I do outside is what is important and I think my arms reach more people outside than in, at least in regards to what kind of impact I make on any non-believers.

Because churches impact lives around the world, when you hook up with a church, you are able to participate both directly and indirectly with ministries that can go places you can't. You get to play a part in reaching lost people that your own scope of experience will never touch on its own.

I agree that a bible class where there is interaction sharpens ones skills yet I have found places like this or small groups do as much or more since there is much more feed back from others.

Yes, but there is nothing like face to face accountability and face to face fellowship. It is good thing they do here on Worthy, but the leadership will tell you that is is not intended to be a replacement for being involved in a local fellowship.

True a denominational church has the membership to put the tithes to good work but my time and money can also be given outside of a church. I am not knocking churches yet I am know exactly what Man means about getting knocked around about not going to a church building for fellowship and all that.

It's called "conviction."

And I have to agree with Man also about what everyone shares about the evils of the church today yet uphold the goodness of them at the same time.

People will complain about some of the things their kids do that they don't approve of, but that doesn't mean they love their kids less. Many of us do criticize the church, but we do it to make it better. Not just to lt off steam.

The problem is that it is easy to get self-righteous and condemn the things that other believers do that is wrong, but what we need are people willing to be the ones to be the positive counter influence. Simply withdrawing from the church never solves the problem.

I agree much work needs to be done in the churches yet I have wonder if this just isn't the way its going to be until Christ returns and sets things straight. We need to pray for all of our brothers and sisters where ever they may be

It doesn't have to be this way. We do need pray for our brothers and sisters but we also need to be a light to those need it, and you cannot be the light and positive influence you need to be when you keep yourself withdrawn.

[Guest shiloh357]

Again, another example of someone being totally alone and unprofitable, because they don't attend church.

No I didn't say that. What I am saying is that whatever you DO have is augmented and amplified by plugging into a fellowship.

What makes you think you are such a hotshot that you don't need fellowship?

I don't believe I ever stated that.

That is how you come across.

[Guest man]

Again, another example of someone being totally alone and unprofitable, because they don't attend church.

Why is it believed that none of the above mentioned can be accomplished outside of that building?

Someone explain that to me.

why is it when an "anti" church person speaks of church it is always about the building and not the people?

perhaps this is why you have the view of church that you have, becuase you mistake the building for the church, and not the people

Because that's what we're talking about here, a building. I don't go to a building once a week and I'm considered a bad person for it.