Suicide by Christians

[givennewname]

i think the question that i am asking is the assurance of salvation. I have always believe that God is the author and the surety of salvation and it does not depend on what the person does. Isn't Christ sacrifice good for the past, present and future

I am a believer of once Saved always Saved but there are others who do not hold this view.

Would you stake another person's life on that belief?

I am not on this thread for a debate -

man, only God knows the pure motive of someones heart. For all intents and purposes, someone may look to me as if they are Saved, you know - say the right things, act the right way - but behind closed doors they are doing the most vile things...in their minds the worst actrocities..so only God knows for sure where a mans allegiance lies.

What SHOULD be a good indicator of a Believer is CONSISTENT fruit - whether it is in public or in private.

I am confident in MY Salvation and I trust the Lord that He lives in me and will never leave me.

Sorry i wasn't debating or being rude.. Sorry if i came across like that.

Just making the point that a christian is far from perfect after salvation and capable of many silly things like this young man

[Guest HIS girl]

i think the question that i am asking is the assurance of salvation. I have always believe that God is the author and the surety of salvation and it does not depend on what the person does. Isn't Christ sacrifice good for the past, present and future

I am a believer of once Saved always Saved but there are others who do not hold this view.

Would you stake another person's life on that belief?

I am not on this thread for a debate -

man, only God knows the pure motive of someones heart. For all intents and purposes, someone may look to me as if they are Saved, you know - say the right things, act the right way - but behind closed doors they are doing the most vile things...in their minds the worst actrocities..so only God knows for sure where a mans allegiance lies.

What SHOULD be a good indicator of a Believer is CONSISTENT fruit - whether it is in public or in private.

I am confident in MY Salvation and I trust the Lord that He lives in me and will never leave me.

Sorry i wasn't debating or being rude.. Sorry if i came across like that.

Just making the point that a christian is far from perfect after salvation and capable of many silly things like this young man

LOL...- givennewname - I was answering "mans" reply to me! Trust me, it can get a bit confusing...

Your original question is valid and I hope others can share their viewpoints without the thread turning into a heated debate...that can ruin things.

[kross]

I have a friend whose son just comitted suicide. He is a devoted Christian and is so depressed and believes that because his son commited suicide that he is lost. I do not necessary believe that in that i think suicide is like any other sins committed by christians and that there is no sin that cannot be covered by the Blood of Jesus. Man i don't even know how to comfort this Christian father.

A while ago I read that the majority of teen suicides were kids who claim CHRIST. If you are a kid who is being beat down by lust and sin and peers and all of the conflicts that come from trying to deserve JESUS, it can cause a geat depression.

One of the many problems with teaching bondage instead of freedom.

[givennewname]

I have a friend whose son just comitted suicide. He is a devoted Christian and is so depressed and believes that because his son commited suicide that he is lost. I do not necessary believe that in that i think suicide is like any other sins committed by christians and that there is no sin that cannot be covered by the Blood of Jesus. Man i don't even know how to comfort this Christian father.

A while ago I read that the majority of teen suicides were kids who claim CHRIST. If you are a kid who is being beat down by lust and sin and peers and all of the conflicts that come from trying to deserve JESUS, it can cause a geat depression.

One of the many problems with teaching bondage instead of freedom.

That is my whole point of asking the question. If a person who believes in Jesus, confesses him and then believe in Jesus, then does something stupid, does he loses his salvation? Well in a way i look at salvation as God's work and not one by men, otherwise Christianity is just another religion where Men tries very hard to get himself reconciled to God. Christianity is different where God comes and says men are evil, if you wanna get to God, Go through the acceptance of his son. No works involved. Now many theologians have tried to explain Christianity as justification based on the completed works of Christ on the cross but in practice they add in in some good works in small acceptable measures, just in case... This works theology is introduced subtly by saying once you get saved, show us the money or the evidence of this conversion by doing good works. This is jst introducing a works theology by the back door. I mean was the repentent thieve on the cross asked to demonstrate the evidence of his salvation by good works? Was he the only exception to the case where evidence needs to be produced of conversion? So the Kingdom of God is (Faith) + (a small measures of works)(evidence of acceptance of Jesus)-the sin of suicide??? The Bible doesn't say that... It says nothing can seperate us from the Love of God- it mentions specifically death... and it says that our good works are like filthy rags to God. It is very strange in that this is the man who actually taught me that the only way to God is through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and yet now he excludes his son's surety of salvation in Jesus by the fact that his son did a silly thing. The question we ask is not if a man can lose his salvation, it is whether Jesus can lose a believer... the answer is obvious ad given by Jesus alone..

Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine:

Joh 17:10 and all things that are mine are thine, and thine are mine: and I am glorified in them.

Joh 17:11 And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are.

Joh 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name which thou hast given me: and I guarded them, and not one of them perished, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Now i have a very simple believe in salvation. Let us look at a few verses on salvation starting with this famous verse

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up;

Joh 3:15 that whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him.

Now it says that whosoever believe in Jesus has already eternal life. It begs now the question, When does this sternal life begin? The answer is that the moment a person believes, eternal life starts for him. Eternal life means eternal life, it does not say one can lose eternal life, if it can be lost, it should be called semi eternal or conditional eternal life. etenal life does not start when we aare dead, it starts when we become a christian and with that a security that Jesus will take care of a believer, even if he commits an atrocious act.

It does not mean we get our life in order once we become a christian and in my walk of nearly 20 years i mess up. Since every sin is an abomination to God and non more or less serious than another, why should this brother lose his salvation?

Seet.

[givennewname]

Either Christianiaty preaches a works free salvation or i am reading the wrong Bible.

[givennewname]

Most people assume that once jsutified, the Christians should be moral and do good works once they are saved. Isn't it that Paul says that Abraham is justified by his faith in God and not by his Good works?

Habbakuk says:

Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul is puffed up, it is not upright in him; but the righteous shall live by his faith.

Good works comes by faith.. not the other way around.

Salvation comes by faith and not works... not by good work and neither can one lose his salvation by bad works.

[Guest man]

i think the question that i am asking is the assurance of salvation. I have always believe that God is the author and the surety of salvation and it does not depend on what the person does. Isn't Christ sacrifice good for the past, present and future

I am a believer of once Saved always Saved but there are others who do not hold this view.

Would you stake another person's life on that belief?

I am not on this thread for a debate -

This is not about debate.

It's about assuring someone who is about to kill themself that they will not lose their salvation by doing so.

Once Saved Always Saved.

What thing to say to someone who is contemplating suicide.

People pass through these boards all the time, looking for answers, searching for hope. For the individual who is on the verge of total collapse, the last thing they need to hear is OSAS. They actually don't need to hear it at all, because frankly, nobody really knows.

There have been a few people who have come here with suicide on the brain. One that I know of was actually told, "OSAS".

This is not about debate. It about thinking before you post.

I'm sorry if I appear to be rude, but these threads just get to me. If you want to believe in OSAS, fine. But when a human life may be in the balance, you might want to keep that belief to yourself.

[Guest HIS girl]

i think the question that i am asking is the assurance of salvation. I have always believe that God is the author and the surety of salvation and it does not depend on what the person does. Isn't Christ sacrifice good for the past, present and future

I am a believer of once Saved always Saved but there are others who do not hold this view.

Would you stake another person's life on that belief?

I am not on this thread for a debate -

This is not about debate.

It's about assuring someone who is about to kill themself that they will not lose their salvation by doing so.

Once Saved Always Saved.

What thing to say to someone who is contemplating suicide.

People pass through these boards all the time, looking for answers, searching for hope. For the individual who is on the verge of total collapse, the last thing they need to hear is OSAS. They actually don't need to hear it at all, because frankly, nobody really knows.

There have been a few people who have come here with suicide on the brain. One that I know of was actually told, "OSAS".

This is not about debate. It about thinking before you post.

I'm sorry if I appear to be rude, but these threads just get to me. If you want to believe in OSAS, fine. But when a human life may be in the balance, you might want to keep that belief to yourself.

So are you saying it's easier for them - if they think they are Saved? I see what you are getting at.

Wow -

My brother committed suicide and he was Christian.

He was troubled - only he and God know what the motive was on that actual day.

I believe my brother is with the Lord.

[Guest man]

So are you saying it's easier for them - if they think they are Saved? I see what you are getting at.

Wow -

Do you?

[Guest HIS girl]

So are you saying it's easier for them - if they think they are Saved? I see what you are getting at.

Wow -

Do you?

Why don't you explain it to me then man. Obviously you doubt I understand.