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I'll add this too for whoever is interested/concerned from Science: "So should we worry? No, Moss says. The fact that the universe has been around 13.8 billion years shows that primordial black holes will not trigger such a collapse, he says. As for black holes at the LHC, even if they can be created they also won't create havoc, he says. The proof of that comes from cosmic rays, which crash into the atmosphere and create even higher energy particle collisions than the LHC can. So even if such collisions spawn black holes, the black holes don't trigger vacuum collapse, Moss says, or the cosmos would have vanished long ago." http://news.sciencemag.org/europe/2015/08/tiny-black-holes-could-trigger-collapse-universe-except-they-dont

My problems with this don't come out of a physics book as much as it does the Book of the Dead... But when people like Stephen Hawkins senses a possible problem with it, it raises all kinds of other flags too for me. You can't settle my concerns with a physics book. Check this out: http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/september-2014/what-hawking-really-meant

Thank you Alpha This comes from Christian point of view, as a Christian physisist ,can you see anything like this coming out of the experiment? http://informedchristians.com/index.php/Articles/time-cern-and-the-bible No. A lot of this stuff strikes me as kind of weird to be honest. Why associate this with satan as the author of this page does? This is a research facility for studying fundamental physics. It's a complex of labs for hosting experiments, that is all. I don't understand the preoccupation with CERN in particular, why not pick on Fermilab which has done so many similar things? Truly, if something dire was going to happen because of LHC activity, it would have happened already for reasons I mentioned earlier. Besides engaging in these very high energy experiments, there are other experiments being done there also of a more mundane nature. Here is an example http://phys.org/news/2015-07-miniature-cancer.html

angels, I wouldn't pay attention to all that. Here's a recent update on things. http://phys.org/news/2015-07-supersymmetry-physics-theory.html Note, nothing catastrophic has happened. other one, Cool about your physics background. You probably recall discussing collisions, inelastic and elastic. All that the LHC aims to do is to provide a specific location for inelastic collisions of a particular energy and particular particle type to occur. That's it. Then through the mass-energy relation particles not yet observed due to their mass may be observed. There is no physically relevant different between protons colliding there and protons colliding in the atmosphere. It's just convenient for them to occur there due to the array of particle detectors.

This is wildly inaccurate. 1905 Einstein develops special relativity, and later, general relativity. Quantum mechanics was formulated in the 1920s and profoundly impacted our view of the world. Followed by the original development of quantum mechanics was quantum electrodynamics in the following decades, the marriage of electromagnetism and quantum mechanics, and the most successful physical theory yet in the precision and accuracy of its predictions. Meanwhile, the standard model was put together, which as proven to be incredibly (and annoyingly) robust. Many things have come together to allow for the technological advances that allow us to sit here and communicate as we are. You could see the hand of God in that. I tend to. What I question most though, about this thread in general, is why this matters. Many brilliant scientists believed in God, and many were even believers. Many brilliant scientists didn't believe in God, many have been atheists. What conclusion then to draw from this? I suppose I'd settle on the fact that there is a spiritual side to faith that as far as I can tell has no correlation to IQ at all.

The dimensions that some physicists speculate about really have nothing to do with spiritual realities. They are about introducing another orthogonal degree of freedom in space. Up, down, sideways, and, another sideways (or many more depending what theory it is). It's all physical speculation though.

Nothing has ever been run at this energy levels. Did you see my comments about the cosmic rays? this isn't a concern. I have heard people who work there that are concerned... The basic fact is, higher energy collisions (than anything approachable at the LHC) have happened, and have been happening, all of the time in the upper atmosphere. If the earth was going to be swallowed up by a blackhole due to them, it would have happened already. it's not really the black holes. It's opening something into other dimensions that we really don't understand enough to know if it's a problem. Black holes are not the problem..... but if you are just looking at the physics of it I would agree. But we know so little of the worlds that contain the spiritual realm. I would just add that the Book of Genesis tells us that it is possible to do whatever we set out minds to do and getting to God himself is what Nimrod was in the process of doing. What I said would apply to probing any other possible spatial dimensions either, which by the way, have nothing to do with spiritual realities. If colliding protons at very high energies could do anything dangerous, the earth would have seen it long ago due to cosmic ray collisions.

Nothing has ever been run at this energy levels. Did you see my comments about the cosmic rays? this isn't a concern. I have heard people who work there that are concerned... The basic fact is, higher energy collisions (than anything approachable at the LHC) have happened, and have been happening, all of the time in the upper atmosphere. If the earth was going to be swallowed up by a blackhole due to them, it would have happened already.

I largely agree with Shiloh on this one. People overestimate their abilities, and underestimate their weaknesses all of the time. Men and women were made to have sexual attractions to each other, and no matter what your intentions are, if you are spending a lot of one on one time with someone of the opposite sex in a friendly manner, that may trigger instincts before you know they are there. Being friendly, or being friends in couple situations is one thing, having a close friendship with someone of the opposite sex in my age range is not something I'd do. I doubt any female I work with would think I'm a weirdo or cold, but I wouldn't go out to ice cream with them alone. My female friend, and best friend, is my wife. A couple verses pop to mind... jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? mat 26:41 Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.” 1 cor 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

Nothing has ever been run at this energy levels. Did you see my comments about the cosmic rays? this isn't a concern.

Nothing evil is going to sprout forth. I'll tell you why I know that as a fact. Cosmic rays are particles from different places in outer space that hit earth's atmosphere. Some are heavy and go incredibly fast. The energy of some of these particles is a lot bigger than anything the LHC at CERN could produce. If something bad were to come from collisions that the LHC will produce, we would have already seen that from naturally occurring cosmic rays.

International collaboration is very common on large projects like this at CERN. That in itself is not unique and I cannot think of a good theological reason to worry about that. The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is best known for being used to discover the Higgs boson at this point. Protons and anti-protons are collided at extremely high speeds, making for a large kinetic energy in the subsequent collision. Because of Einstein's mass-energy equivalence (the famous E=mc^2 equation) new heavy particles can be created, and subsequently detected with the particle detectors there. The Higgs boson, sometimes called the "God particle" by the media for reasons that completely allude me (and this is the media hyping stuff up! no scientist calls it the God particle), was predicted by an important theoretical framework called the Standard Model. So far, the Standard Model has been a smashing success, and discovering the Higgs, with the mass range it had, was yet another important success for it. This particle is responsible for giving other particles their intrinsic mass when they interact with the associated Higgs field. But, back to the LHC's future, it was understood that it would be operated at half energy to start (7 TeV) and then later retrofitted and ramped up to twice that. It's the latter that is happening now. More energy means more particles can be discovered. What people hope to find, or rule out, are supersymmetrical partners. If these are found, it would double the known fundamental particles in the universe. There's a very basic outline of things last I knew how it stood. All that being said, I want to emphasize that this is no fundamentally different from any physics experiment happening in the most humble lab. As a physics experiment, the goal is to understand how nature works in a more thorough manner, inspired by curiosity. There is nothing that any believer should feel intimidated about in my estimation. Personally, I'm very excited to see the results of the next runs and what they reveal about the awesome world God created.

I posted my response to see that Once Again I am in agreement with MOrningglory.... should I be concerned? Should we all be concerned?

Absolutely. The issue that was raised in this thread is why has feminine modesty become an issue? And the answer is because it is an issue. I was at a place of business recently where the attendant at the counter was a young woman (and chunky to boot). Not only was her cleavage exposed partially but she had some kind of unreadable message tatooed across the top. She probably did not give it a thought, and assumed that this was "business casual". This type of female exposure is becoming the norm. So Christian women need to be asking themselves whether they are allowing these norms to influence them, or are they resisting them. If they are not resisting them, then men (in general) should not be blamed for their inappropriate responses. Mat 5:28,9 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. You are responsible for your own reactions. This last sentence of yours is deeply disturbing.

There may not be violations, but it *doesn't always apply*. That is my point and why the quote has nothing to do with anything I've said. That was the entire point of my previous post. It's a little hard to respond when I'd just be repeating what I said before, as you haven't dealt with any of the meat in my post. I'm honestly befuddled. I put some thought into the varieties of ways I could restate what this law of thermodynamics is about. I provided you with links as I know you like that, but I don't get the sense you looked at those either. If you do not see how the law is derived in the first place, it is rather difficult to talk to you about appropriate applications. There is a reason that in our training we are asked to derive for ourselves the laws and such that we actually use. At any rate, I really am not sure what else to add here, except that, if you want to address my previous post, great. If you think you have, then it's fairly obvious I'm wasting my time insofar as I'd be repeating myself again.