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I disagree with this. According to Genesis 2:7 the body and the breath or spirit of God combined to form the soul. God told Adam that the day he ate of the Tree of Knowledge he would die. Adam did die that day. It wasn't spiritually. The day referred to there is the prophetic day. A day of 1000 years. This is both the ancient Jewish and early Christian understanding of the passages. Peter said, a day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day. Adam died just short of 1000 years, thus he died in the day he ate of the tree. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (1 Pet 3:8 KJV)

No, there aren't any verses. The idea that there is one God in three persons is a doctrine from the Fifth century. It's not what the Bible teaches. Paul stated plainly to the Corinthians, 'to us there is one God, the Father'. 5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. (1 Cor. 8:5-6 NAS)

The Bible is clear that the dead are dead. They are in the grave. The problem is that Greek philosophical ideas have entered into the faith and many Christians have accepted these ideas. It was the Greeks, in Jesus day, that taught that man was an immortal spirit and/or soul that lived forever and would ascend into the heavens after leaving the body. This idea is foreign to the Scriptures. So, to answer your question about Daniel 12:2, yes they are dead. They will rise at the resurrection.

I would have to disagree John. Gen 2:7 shows us that the combination of the body and breath "became" a living soul. The soul is not a third element, it's a combination of the two elements. I also have to disagree with the idea of eternal torment of men. That's not taught in Scripture. The "spirit" in man is something out of God Himself, that's why Jesus doesn't mention it in Matthew 10:28. God's spirit or breath is what gives man life. God isn't going to destroy His own spirit or breath. Also, there is no place in the Scriptures called hell. That is an English word that carries a lot of baggage. The Scriptures speak of Sheol or Hades, Gehenna, and Tartarus.

I agree!

I agree with your statement wholeheartedly, However, I disagree with Strong's definition of Psuche. It doesn't mean spirit.

I would disagree that the Bible treats man as tripartite. I submit it treats him as a physical being as stated in the OP. It's man's dualistic ideas that interpret the Bible as having man being tripartite.

The story of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a parable about the destruction of the priesthood. Jesus is telling the Pharisees that the priesthood is going away. It's not about what happens to people when they die. When a man dies he is dead. He remains dead until the Resurrection and then he will be judged.

You said we have to rightly divide Paul. This passage in Ephesians is speaking of the Jews, not Christians. It was the Jews who were chosen. Also as I pointed out it's not heavenly places. The word places isn't in the Greek text. It's heavenlies, It's the word heaven in the plural and it's adjective in the neuter gender. That means it's talking about heavenly things. This passage is not saying anyone is in Heaven or going to Heaven. Jesus told the Jews and His apostles that were He was going they could not go.

Heavenly is an adjective. It's simply a description of the Kingdom, not its location. You're taking an adjective and using it as a location to say the Kingdom is in Heaven. That's not correct. That would be like saying the red book is located in red as if red was a location. Red is an adjective like Heavenly. They are descriptive of the nouns they're modifying. Also, you said we need to rightly divide Paul. Ephesians 1:6 is speaking of Isarael, not Christians. It's also not speaking of Heavenly places, it's Heavenly things. There is nothing in the Bible that teaches Christians go to Heaven. It's just not there. Who is going to be in this kingdom in Heaven? Revelation says that the holy city descends and God will reign with men. So God will be on the Earth.

Nowhere does Paul say anyone's going to Heaven either? I've already shown where Paul said that the Gentiles would inherit the land promised to Abraham. That land is on Earth, not Heaven

What do you see here that would lead you to believe there are two kingdoms

That doesn't explain your two kingdoms.

And I did rightly divide Paul's words. Romans opens to the church at Rome. At 2:17 Paul turns his attention to the Jewish believers. He carries on this discourse through to 11:13 where he then turns to the Gentiles. He tells the Gentiles that they have been grafted into the promises made to the Jews. As I said, The promise was made to Abraham and his seed. Paul tells us that Seed is Christ. He then says that the inheritance of the land comes to the Gentiles through Christ and that those who are in Christ are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise. That's the Land. The Gentiles, like the Jews, will see a kingdom on earth. There is nowhere in Scripture where Paul teaches that people go to Heaven, it's just not there.

You keep talking of two kingdoms yet you've given no evidence. I just laid out for you how Paul teaches that the promises made to Abraham are conferred on the Gentiles through faith in Christ. Paul, the one claim is preaching a a different kingdom than the 12, has laid out how that in Christ all are one. There is no Jew or Gentile. You have a kingdom for some Jews and another for Gentiles. Yet Paul says there is neither Jew nor Gentiles.