Marilyn C

Right. The difficulty arose when translators decided to write saints instead of `holy ones.` You see `holy ones` can be saints or angels. Thus, more scripture is needed to discern which one. `Then the Lord, my God, will come & all His HOLY ONES with Him.` (Zech. 14: 5 NAS) `Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His HOLY ONES.` (Jude v.14 NAS) `HOLY ONES,` from the Heb. `quodos,` meaning sacred, holy, & from the Greek `hagio,` also sacred, holy. Most Bible interpretation have `holy ones,` or `holy angels,` however a couple of versions have wrongly written `saints,` & this has caused some confusion. However if we read all scripture on this subject it becomes quite clear that it is the Lord Jesus, Israel`s Messiah, coming to earth with His Holy Angels to judge the Nations & to deliver Israel.

Hi Eddie, Good work there. I agree with most of what you wrote. The one point of difference is `... saints are already in heaven. They are “The armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses” (Rev. 19:14) at the armies of the end of the Tribulation.` Jesus told us who would come with Him at the end of the trib. `For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels;...` (Matt. 16: 27) ``...the Son of Man ...when He comes in His glory, & the glory of the Father & of the holy angels.` (Luke 9: 26) You see angels are also described as wearing `pure, bright linen...` (Rev. 15: 6)

Hi VA, That is a mixture of scriptures pertaining to different groups in God`s purposes. You see all of scripture is for us to learn from BUT it is NOT all about US. God`s Word reveals His purposes for Israel, the Nations and the Body of Christ. ISRAEL. Song of Sol. 6: 10. King Solomon speaking of his beloved. Type of God and Israel. Hosea 2: 19 `I will betroth you to me forever.` Rev.12: 1. That is symbolic of Jacob, Rachael and their 12 sons. (Gen. 35: 23. 37: 9) Joseph`s dream. `...the sun and moon and the 11 stars bow down to me..` (Gen. 37: 9) Rev. 19: 7 -8. `the wife has made herself ready.` Isa. 54: 6 `For the LORD has called you like a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, like a youthful WIFE when you were refused.` `For your Maker is your husband.... the Holy One of ISRAEL.` (isa. 54: 5) All those scriptures are about ISRAEL. BODY OF CHRIST. Acts 20: 28 `the church of God...` Eph. 5: 25 - 27 `Husbands love your wives, even as Christ also loved the ekklesia (Body of Christ. Eph. 1: 23) and gave Himself for IT...` The Body of Christ is the NEW MAN, (no male or female) but both as ONE NEW MAN. (Eph. 2: 15 4: 13 24) ALL (including nations) Rom. 3: 22 `all them that believe...`

`For by one Spirit we were baptized into one body - whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free - and have all been made to drink into one Spirit....now God has set the members each one of them, in the body just as He pleased.` (1 Cor. 12: 13 & 18)

Hi VA, A very relevant and important topic. I have called on the name of the Lord throughout my life. I believe it means that you call on the Lord with a sincere heart. And as we grow in knowing the Lord the relationship deepens as we find the Lord so faithful, caring, kind, merciful and compassionate.

Hi VA, Yes, the highest calling in Christ Jesus. However, there are other groups that receive from Christ - the Old Testament saints, Israel and the Nations. Each have a part to play in God`s great kingdom over all. To accomplish that the Father had to raise His Son to the highest. `the Father of glory....raised Him (Jesus) from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named not only in this age but also in that which is to come, and put all things under His feet...` (Eph. 1: 20 - 22) May I suggest we put the Lord first before we focus on ourselves. Yes, the called-out ones are the many sons to glory, however, God`s purposes are much greater than that. Jesus, the glorified Son of Man and Son of God is the first human to be in the higher realms. He is the Worthy one, the One to be adored, worshipped and crowned sovereign ruler over all the Father`s estates. Then we can speak of who will be in God`s great kingdom because of His great sacrifice.

Very good question there Ed. The incense was comprised of 4 elements - Stacte: an aromatic gum obtained from a shrub which grew in the mountains of Gilead. Stacte means to `drop of distil.` And this gum flowed without piercing. It seems to speak of a spontaneous attitude necessary to produce worship. Onycha: it was a shellfish found in the Red Sea which used to feed on the stems of fragrant plants at the water's edge and thus became saturated with perfume. The shell was finely ground to make a fragrant spice. A life which feeds on Jesus will have the necessary fragrance to adequately worship the Lord. The crushing work of humility is a further indispensable requirement for the ministry of worship. Galbanum: it was collected from a large shrub which grew in the mountains of Syria. It was said to have insecticidal properties. This gum flowed whenever the plant was broken. This seems to speak to us of the necessity of a broken and contrite attitude to maintain true worship. This will keep at bay the spiritual insects of pride and self-sufficiency and complacency. Frankincense: it was obtained by making an incision in the bark of a rare Arabian tree at evening. Overnight the precious gum oozed out. In the morning the hard white substance was collected and beaten into a useable form to balance the other ingredients or worship. It seems to suggest the lonely vigil of total devotion to God, of waiting on Him, of taking time to have His life purpose worked out in us is necessary. The value of these spices to God is seen in the names applied to the incense - sweet, pure, holy and perpetual. (Ez. 30: 34 - 38)

Ha, ha. It was taking it off topic. See you later. Sleep well.

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`The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.` (Rev. 19: 10) We need to read of Jesus not people`s imaginations.

And I think it is good to remember that God has appointed times for His judgment upon the nations, starting with the (far) northern Federation and his pals. (Zech. 6: 8 Ez. 38 Joel 2)

Thank you SD, that is so good. Love the background music too. Well done, again.

Morning VA, Very good post. I certainly agree. Now I would just say, that `What a situation FALLEN man is in now.` You would agree I know that WE are not a part of God`s judgments coming on man`s world system and those who adhere to it. As to the UN it was only created as a `cover` to give the impression the world is working together. You see the UN`s Security Council consists of the permanent Big Five. - USA, UK, France, Russia and China. Each permanent member has power to veto, enabling them to prevent the adoption of any `substantive` draft Council resolution, regardless of the level of international support of the draft. However, the UN does have a very significant role in the Global Government - religious. GLOBAL MOTIVATION A Global Government needs the hearts and minds of the people to agree with it. Thus there is needed the motivating force of religion to drive people towards a Global Government. It is the unifying reason that people will give allegiance to. Thus we see that the United Nations has become the International Institution to promote the New Age one-world religion spirituality. THE UNITED NATIONS (UN) The UN has issued a Global Charter called `The Earth Charter.` This is promoted as the `new scripture.` It stresses that man is his own saviour. By saving `mother earth,` they say, that we will once again return to an idyllic garden of Eden. All aspects of society are being involved - religions, business, education, health, entertainment, sport and civil society. Everyone is to work towards the same goals, with the same moral values. These goals are called the `Sustainable Development Goals,` (SDG) officially known as `Transforming our World,` and popularly known as `The Future We Want.` To achieve these Sustainable Development Goals the United Nations uses the Common Values of the `Earth Charter.` The document makes a declaration for a just, sustainable, peaceful global society and its mission is to promote - `A Global society founded on a shared ethical framework.` Global Moral Values & their meaning. These are – respect, responsibility, justice, trustworthiness, civic virtue & citizenship, etc RESPECT – like tolerance & inclusive – means appreciation for people & lifestyles (pagan & promiscuous, different sexual preferences……) RESPONSIBILITY – refers to the `common good` of the community, where individuals must yield to the collective interests. (Socialism) CIVIC VIRTUE & CITIZENSHIP – are also open ended. Compliant citizens must be ready to conform to changing rules & evolving duties. People are made to think that they are to blame for all the world`s ills, diseases, poverty, crime, inequality and thus to get rid of these guilt feelings people give over their personal responsibility to the UN`s plans and goals. The Global Charter was drafted in coordination with a hard law treaty designed to provide an integrated legal framework for all environment development law and policy. It is called the `International Covenant on Environment and Development.` Governments are required to adhere to its ever-increasing requirements. Thus, we can see that the United Nations, the arm of the G20, is bringing together all areas of society to believe in this new religion of `Mother Earth.`

I so appreciate Oswald Chamber`s writings. Though I think his wife put many together after he passed away quite young. Anyway, that is a big hurdle we all need to get over. So easy to criticize when really we have our areas we need to work on too. I am trying with the Lord to address this. Yes, we are concerned for someone but to let that just stay as an emotion then we are not giving the person over to the Lord. I`m finding that those in our group are dealing with this too. So, good post to bring this to our attention.