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  1. Hi Retrobyter, I will give you my opinion. Jesus will come on the day of the Lord (one twenty-four hour day) when the seventh trumpet sounds. He will gather His elect as shown in Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27 and Luke 21:27-28. This is the gathering of the bride for the wedding. He will then go down to fight against the nations that are coming against the land of Israel; the Battle of Armageddon (Zechariah 12, 13 and 14; and Ezekiel 38-39). He will stain his clothes in the great winepress of the wrath of God. This is shown in Isaiah 63 and Revelation 14:14-20. Joel also shows events of the day of the Lord. After He has defeated the nations that are coming against the land of Israel and slain the wicked and evil people (where He will stain His vesture red), He will take His bride up to the Father in heaven. There will be a period of five months after the day of the Lord has ended when those that are left on the earth will feel the effects of God's wrath (Revelation 9:5-6). After the five months of torment on earth are over, the marriage of the Lamb will take place in heaven (Revelation 19). The return of Jesus on the white horses will follow the wedding. Jesus stained His vesture on the day of the Lord, five months earlier. The beast and the false prophet were defeated on the day of the Lord, but not destroyed. When Jesus returns on the white horses the beast and the false prophet will be taken and eventually thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20). The remnant of the armies of the beast will be slain at that time (Revelation 19:21).
  2. I agree with you Sister that the abomination of desolation is close to the end of the "tribulation". If my interpretation of Daniel 12:11-12 is correct: Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. The daily sacrifice will be taken away and then 1,290 days later, the abomination of desolation will be set up. Forty-five days later will be the "blessed is he who waiteth and cometh to" day; the 1,335th day of that timeline. The 1,335th day will be the day that Jesus returns to save Israel and Jerusalem from the invasion by the nations at the Battle of Armageddon. Daily sacrifice taken away ----(1,290 days until) ---- the abomination of desolation set up ----(44 days until) ---- (the 1,335th day). The 44 days between the abomination of desolation and the 1,335th day will the great tribulation period.
  3. As I see it, the abomination of desolation occurs just before the great tribulation period begins (Matthew 24:15-21). The great tribulation period is the same as the time of trouble (Daniel 12:1). Michael will stand up just before the abomination of desolation (which is just before the time of trouble) which is when the man of sin will be revealed. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Before the man of sin is revealed, someone (who has been withholding) will be taken out of the way and then the man of sin will be revealed (at the abomination of desolation). 2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Michael is the one who will be taken out of the way (he will stand up) and then the man of sin will be revealed at the abomination of desolation. Michael is the one who withholds with Jesus in the matters concerning kingdoms and kings. Daniel 10:20-21 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. 21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
  4. Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. If you interpret Daniel 12:11-12 like this: Daily sacrifice taken away ------------------ 1,290 days until ------------------ abomination of desolation ------- 44 days until -------- the 1,335th day The 44 days between the abomination of desolation and the 1,335th day will be the "great tribulation" period. I believe the 1,335th day will be "the day of the Lord". I believe the Second Coming of Christ will be on the day of the Lord.
  5. Thank you for your reply. God bless you also.
  6. Hi Ezra, I do what I can to spread the Gospel, but the Lord has placed on my heart a great desire to understand the end time prophecies. I posted this topic because I do not see how the actions of the antichrist fulfill the role of an expected Jewish Messiah. I mentioned that the antichrist and the Messiah could possibly be two different men because of something I recently noticed while reading Daniel. Daniel 11:21. And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. 22. And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant. I believe the “vile person” spoken of here is the soon to come “little horn” aka the antichrist. I have always thought that the “prince of the covenant” referred to the same man, but the verse implies that the “prince of the covenant” will be broken by the “vile person”. This is why I asked if there could possibly be two men coming to sign the covenant with many; a false Jewish Messiah and the antichrist. Jeff
  7. Hi Trevor, I believe the prophecies of the "little horn" of Daniel (who is also the mouth of the beast in Revelation 13:5-8), are telling us about a future evil world leader, the beast, aka the antichrist. Do you believe the "little horn" has already come? As for the Papacy, I believe that is Mystery, Babylon of Revelation 17 who rides along with the beast (a coming world government). Jeff
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  9. I agree with you William, the great earthquake will cause volcanic eruptions and the skies to be darkened worldwide (the sun to be darkened and the moon to turn to blood).
  10. Hi Trevor, I am aware of the historicism and preterism views on eschatology. I can see where events of the past seem to have fulfilled many of the prophecies. The problem is; Jesus hasn't returned yet. I see a future fulfillment of the prophecies that historicism and preterism say have been fulfilled, leading up to the Second Coming of Christ. If I am wrong and there is no third Temple built or no antichrist to come, I do not believe that Jesus will hold that against me. I do not believe that the Holy Spirit would allow me to oppose Jesus when He returns. Just as I believe Jesus will not hold anything against those who have the wrong opinion of when the rapture will occur. I Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. Jeff
  11. Hi Ezra, I have always believed as you do, but now, I cannot see the Jewish people accepting anyone else but a Jewish man as their Mashiach or Messiah, and I cannot see the Muslim world accepting a Jewish man as their Mahdi. The Muslim world is awaiting their Mahdi and their prophet Isa (he will be Jesus to the Muslims). I see the Mahdi as fulfilling the role of the antichrist and Isa as fulfilling the role of the false prophet. The Muslim world is also awaiting one who is called Dajjal. To the Muslims, Dajjal will be a false Messiah. Is it possible that a man, other than the antichrist, will come to fulfill the role of the Mashiach to the Jewish people and also be Dajjal to the Muslim world; their false messiah? Jeff
  12. Hi Ezra, I have believed in this scenario most of my life, but recently I am having trouble understanding how the actions of the antichrist will fulfill the expectations that the Jewish people have of their Messiah. I am wondering if someone else, not the antichrist, will come as the Messiah and build the Temple and start the daily sacrifice. The antichrist will definitely stop the daily sacrifice and then set up the abomination of desolation, but is there scripture that says he will build the Temple and start the daily sacrifice? I believe the Messiah will have to be a Jewish man, but I am leaning now on the thought that the antichrist will be a Muslim man. Maybe both of these men, along with other leaders, will sign the covenant of Daniel 9:27. Jeff
  13. Hi Trevor, Thanks for your reply. Jeff
  14. HI Trevor, I agree with you that when Jesus returns, He will build a Temple in Jerusalem. My questions are referring to the temple that is spoken of in the following verses. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Who will build this temple that the man of sin (who I believe will be the antichrist) sits in? Isn't there a false Messiah coming before Jesus returns? If so, who will be this false Messiah? The antichrist? The false prophet? Someone else? Jeff
  15. The Jewish people who deny that Jesus was the Messiah, are waiting for their Messiah to come. When he comes, will this Messiah build the temple and start the daily sacrifice? Who will fulfill that role; the antichrist (the beast) or the false prophet?