simplejeff

No. Not as a weapon.... not as if against a person/human that is.... the enemy hasatan hates forgiveness, of course. He loses souls when they are blessed and forgiven and their sins are no longer held against them. However, if the Father in heaven does not forgive someone, then we are TO DO HIS WORD - as JESUS ALWAYS DID - (and Jesus told some/ it is written/ "they are ALREADY condemned because of their unbelief") and stronger: "ANATHEMA/ ACCURSED" is everyone who brings a false gospel..... not as if they are forgiven , eh? and also: When someone is put out of the assembly of Ekklesia, as Directed by the Father in Scripture, it is so they might turn to The Father and /may/ would REPENT, stop sinning, in order to be restored to fellowship. (not for the purpose of condemning them who are put out). As Jesus Directed the Apostles, they would be sinning if they forgave someone who the Father says not to forgive, or if they tried to bless someone who the Father did not/ does not bless. Tickling ears ? No, that's not good and not obedient to the Father nor in line with all Scripture. False messages ? "feel good" ? come let's all join hands ? false gospel ? accursed ?

So blatant, it seems normal ? Internet search Christian forum, and peruse the topics. The posts. Then join one, try to post the truth. (usually it is not permitted) More obvious, did you casually watch some of the political nonsense the last 150 years ? Honestly, where is honesty ? Was it ever in our life times in politics and /or religion/ as seen in the media ?

Well, now someone themselves posted their own words, their own new post, as evidence for their own (being judged righteously) / judgment. (I still did not see you or anyone else quote him saying this, btw) i.e. All of your posts, or anyone else's posts about him could not convict him without two or three witnesses of his heresy. (same with famous evangelists who for over fifty years promoted the false gospel of univeralism, etc and others - it was /is/ their own words out of their own mouths that convicts them, ) Now, strangely (to me), ironically? , he has posted his own words by which he is and will be judged. (even "with explanation", but explanation's fail - defending a false gospel, defending a heresy, no explanation works).

"When they saw how bold Peter and John were and found out that they were uneducated and ignorant men, they were astonished but they remembered that they had been with Jesus. ....... for we cannot give up speaking of what we have seen and heard. "Seeing the man who had been healed standing beside them, the rulers could say nothing. So, after further threatening them, they let them go, being unable to find any reason for punishing them on account of the people, for they were all praising God for what had been done." The Children's Bibleby Henry A. Sherman and Charles Foster Kent.

And yet, according to all Scripture, most all the world perishes. Never, not ever, no never converted. Never saved. Never seeking God.

When Jesus Returns Bringing Yahuweh's Vengeance upon all the shedders of blood, it will be TOO LATE to "join Him" (or will it? (for those still remaining alive) ) .... Those who are willing to receive the mark, no matter what it is, have already lost their lives. Those who are already born again by the will of the Father in heaven, who already have a circumcised heart made not with human hands, who are already holy, already set aside, set apart, in Christ Jesus, will be executed when they refuse the mark, and are already daily "as sheep led to slaughter".

Remember what Jesus TOLD, HIMSELF, to His Own Permanent Disciples, as recorded in Scripture. (when would He leave them or desert them? )

I've chased down wild geese before. So far, no results. So you will have to QUOTE someone if you think they actually did say that obeying the TORAH is the path, the way, to salvation. Again, so far, no results. No quotes. No one has quoted anyone saying keeping the TORAH/ The Law/ is the WAY to be saved. None yet.

Jesus never said churches would obey the Father. Rather, they disobey, yet claim to be 'right'. The true Ekklesia? Look FIRST in Scripture - they ALWAYS obey the Father, and if they stumble/ sin/ fail/ disobey, they are chastised, scourged, disciplines, corrected. Churches do not like that. They fail. They disobey. They lead multitudes astray. They hate the LIGHT! ? ! Thus, only A feW, EVER MAKE IT. oNLY those who give up everything to be His permanent disciples. Few, not many.

a country divided ... .. .

EVERY time someone recovers, is that not a good gift from above ? (even for unbelievers - Yahweh allows them to heal, slow or fast). Every time someone is healthy, at all, that IS a good gift from above. From the Creator in Heaven. From Him Who Alone Gives Life.

False grace has been seen, but what you say has not been seen by "others on this Forum & Thread". For a couple years, asking for a quote of ANYONE who thinks they can obtain salvation by keeping the Law, NOT ONE has been quoted so far.

With or without the demonic presence, it is inviting a curse to watch those demonic movies/ shows. The false teachers, false prophets, and false christians however love watching evil things.

Yes.

When Jesus' permanent disciples got challenged by His Words, many of them left Him, just walked away from Him (thus no longer being permanent disciples?) .... He is and was always Righteous, Perfectly, with Perfect Wisdom and Perfect Knowledge and daily union with the Father in heaven, and many "disciples" did not agree with Him and /or did not want to leave what they loved for Him. Jesus gave specific Instructions on who to ban, and why, but no internet site practices His Way. It's much more socio/political and/or for money or saving face/ not to be embarrassed. Nothing to do with truth or salvation at all.

How could it not be real ?

There have been hundreds of posts about this. (the unpardonable sin) and many by dozens or hundreds of people who have committed sin that is not forgiven. Can they be forgiven? Sure, most of them. All of them? Perhaps. Will they be forgiven ? < shrugs > who knows ? Make a decision TODAY, everyone wondering: choose* today, who you will serve, God or the enemy. If God, tell Him So! Then stick to Him and His Word all the time, every day, continually. Oh, do the work you have to do today, each day, IN HIS PRESENCE, thinking on HIM, and HIS WORD. Do your work JOYOUSLY, even if a slave , even if for no money. Do your work as for the Father, to the Father, not to nor for men. *See this in Scripture, and from Yahweh, the Eternal Almighty Creator in Heaven.

Yes, and also "by the spirit within us" as everyone born again, with circumcised heart made not with nor by human hands nor thoughts nor doctrines nor activities but by the Father in Heaven Himself, HEARS HIS VOICE , always , always, always perfectly in line with and harmony with all of His Word - never opposed, never contrary to His Word. A newborn, a three month old, a three years old baby, a ten year old child, a twelve year old son, raised in the way they should go, can all tell at once when they are facing, are being faced by and spoken to by someone with a false devious spirit. Those who are pure in heart, rare on earth, recognize the Father's Spirit .... .... .... ....

'The point' ? Is that every part of this world's government, reps and dems and others, are all going along , not setting anyone free, not casting out demonic teachings and practices, but continuing oppression towards the summing up of all in the owg....

Always been difficult, very difficult, thru all the centuries AND TODAY, to find anyone faithful and true. To find ANY EXAMPLE... and no, Paul was NOT the only example they had. But yes, there were few examples. Same today. Few living examples. Scripture is required to see what is truth, to verify what is true, to know with a witness - assurance, confidence, peace - all Scripture confirms all Yahweh's Plan and Purpose. There are many false teachers today. If not for the falseness in the world, there likely would not be internet at all ("Thy Will Be Done, on earth ..." does NOT include electronic media, nor anything at all that pollutes) People with 10 , 20, 30, 0r 40 Bibles at their fingertips, on the forums, are and have been totally hoodwinked by the demons - they talk with demons ! (NOT cast them out), talk!, as if with 'friends'! Totally deceived and totally deceiving others..... Notice, the first century, the accounts in Scripture, the lives of the true believers, Ekklesia, born again by the WILL OF THE FATHER IN HEAVEN, not by the choice, effort, work, nor will of man, nor of blood. Stick with Scripture. All those people no matter their testimony, who live opposed to Scripture, opposed to Jesus, living lives against His Word, contrary to His Word, all those people are false witnesses leading others astray as much as possible.

As written in the NT , repeatedly, why not live daily, walking in the LIGHT, walking IN UNION (ECHAD) with the Son and with the Father DAILY, all the time ? This is noted of the Ekklesia throughout the NT, but not so much today, eh ?

According to Ephesians, Galatians, and the Apocalypse, et al Scripture, the whole world / population except for the few/ are subject to hasatan. i.e. all society IS pernicious (leading to death, on purpose, trying to drag everyone everywhere down and keep them away from Jesus). Perhaps similar to Balaam's way of getting Israel cursed by Yahuweh, since he could not curse them himself, the enemy likewise has ways of getting people cursed by Yahuweh, when he is prevented from harming us/them himself... (by getting people to DO things that brings Yahuweh's curse upon them) .... Note that in Scripture, the Apocalypse, hasatan is given power to martyr (kill) the saints (Ekklesia, set apart born again ones).

Left, Right, Middle, Outfield, Leftfield, Rightfield, Out-of-bounds , everywhere is subject to the prince of the power of the air, all the sons of disobedience (that we all once were also). RE: Ephesians. The one world government is nothing new, noting that it has been the 'goal' of the enemy for 2000 years , or more. Same with the countries of the world, everywhere - the leaders of all the countries have committed spiritual fornication with the beast for centuries. This is nothing new, and nothing restricted to only some politic parties nor to only some countries. If/ when/ there is any exception at all, it is by and in Yahweh's Sovereignty, His Control, His Will, His Plan, and is few in the world, as written.

Rather, abiding in union with Yahushua (Jesus), as written throughout the New Testament of those who are truly born again ones, set apart ones set apart by the Father for Himself, is there ANYTHING Jesus does in the New Testament that He does not DO TODAY ? (practically not) Jesus said He would never leave nor forsake the disciples, nor ever leave them (us) as orphans..... Jesus - the same yesterday, today, and forever.... still does the Father's Will every day. Likewise the Father's children Do also, as the Father directs. Jesus is Whole, Complete, not separated into parts or pieces at all.....

Good OP, except the question really shouldn't even ever need to be asked IN A GROUP OF CHRISTIANS. God says not to have anything to do with such things. Corrupt men everywhere don't listen.