simplejeff

What is most sad, perhaps, is that the church is helping the enemy today, and not restraining him. This includes the deceptive teachings about the things quoted above/ studied as if to find the truth, but the truth hidden in plain sight, is overcome by the traditions of men. (mostly roman catholic additions to and instead of the truth in Yahuweh's Word. It is so rare to find the truth , that most people relax and accept what others accept and what others teach and preach, whether because it sounds good, tickles the ears, or because they really don't know better, and it 'fits' in with other false ideas (also not known to be false) being widely accepted. To begin to get an idea of the truth, dwell no this in prayer and more prayer with the Father and with Jesus: The enemy is much more prominent around the world and in churches today than ever before. This has been evident , as some other posters have noted in other threads this last week, in the last few decades --- i.e. in our lifetimes. The enemy is as it were being 'birthed' more and more in the world, and soon will be fully 'birthed' as the wickednesses and evil are filled up overflowing as written in Yahuweh's Word: Scripture. The believers trusting and relying on the Father, will not be abandoned at any time by Yahushua Messiah, the Shepherd, no, not at any time. Not even in being martyred, as many have been martyred in the last ten years, and many more this year and in the years to come. This is besides the arrests, tortures, beatings, and other bad treatment Ekklesia receive from men.

Perhaps the source of your learning ("who" said so?) would help understand why these errors(OR differences?) are mixed in with some truth ? Does some particular doctrine say such things as you posted here, OR are you all alone in these ideas ?

I don't know if that is good to do or not(for you to share). From what you posted, what you "found" is wrong, in error, and not correct by a LONG WAY. It perhaps is good if you learn the truth, and correct the errors in what you "found".

Sorry, no, you were mis-informed and are mistaken. Whatever. See from the Greek, Expanded New Testament: Ephesians 1:1 ..... "to the saints, the ones who are [in Ephesus], namely, believing ones in Christ Jesus."

yes it is Jeff, as I said, the moment you say you're an atheist, you're out.  personal attacks are the worst, in my opinion. Jesus was crystal clear we shouldn't do that.  Working backwards (from bottom quote to the top) So ? It still does not affect most of the forum. No it isn't - if you say you're a Christian, you're in. Even if you're not. Or even if you're one of those called 'Christian' by designation, but not by Yahuweh. You've been playing a game, I don't know what to call it. It's dangerous, and it doesn't look good.(from your posts since you joined) I don't pretend. The verse is actually not very rare to know - I just did not know if someone else already posted it.... "REVELATION 9:20 The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, [a]did not repent even then of the works of their hands, so as to cease worshiping and paying homage to the demons and the idols of gold and of silver and of bronze and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; 21 and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries (drugs, intoxications) nor of their [sexual] immorality nor of their thefts. Footnotes: Revelation 9:20 The wickedness of idolatry is so deep and deceptive that idolaters refuse to repent in spite of the overwhelming evidence of God’s displeasure with them (Ps 115:8; 135:18)." =============== Other similar related: Jeremiah 44:15-17 International Standard Version (ISV) The Refugees Refuse to Repent 15 Then all the men who knew that their wives were offering sacrifices to other gods and all the women who were standing by—a large group, including all the people who were living in the land of Egypt in Pathros—answered Jeremiah: 16 “As for the message that you reported to us in the name of the Lord, we won’t listen to you! 17 Rather, we will keep doing everything that we said we would[a] by offering sacrifices to the Queen of Heaven and by pouring out liquid offerings to her just as we, our ancestors, our kings, and our leaders did in the cities of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem. Then we had plenty of bread, things went well for us, and we didn’t experience disaster. ================ Jeremiah 8:5 - Bible Gateway https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Jeremiah 8%3A5 “Why then has this people of Jerusalem Turned away with a perpetual turning away [from Me]? They hold tightly to deceit (idolatry); They refuse to repent and ...

https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/28960/in-romans-616-why-does-paul-say-that-obedience-leads-to-righteousness-when-rig "Before we are saved, we only have the power to sin. It's all that we can do, and we are under the law and condemned for it. Once we have been saved, our body of sin is buried with Christ, and we are raised up as new creatures who now have new natures, natures which are free to submit to obedience. There are consequences to sin, and though the soul may be saved, those consequences may still remain, regardless of our eternal state. If we rob a bank, we'll still go to jail. If we lie, we'll still hurt somebody. As new creatures, we are free to not do these things and are free to instead submit to obedience, which does lead to righteousness, and to reward in this life and in the next. Yet, you can't have chapter 6 without chapter 5. The very ability to submit ourselves to that righteousness is a gift of God that is the consequence of salvation, given to us through the death and resurrection of Christ." ========================================================= In Romans 6:16 why does Paul say that obedience leads to righteousness, ... ... ... ?

That must be checked, tried, tested, to see, yes. Prove all things.... Yet even if there is a mistake there, that does not make valid other mistakes by others.

Pretty good testimony I think, but he saw a vision, so that could make or be the difference. Or go back perhaps to what is actually written that you are referring to ? Also, as well, I think, "only the pure in heart" will see heaven ?

The Scripture is TRUE, no change there, in HARMONY PERFECTLY WITH ALL SCRIPTURE. You even quoted Ephesians. But you don't agree with all SCRITURE, not even with Ephesians that you quoted. But your "No," as if it meant something, means nothing pertaining to the topic.

Jesus told people HE TALKED TO IN PERSON: You must be born again. (joining a church doesn't count nor give life let alone eternal life ! ) Today, He continues speaking without change, to Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, Independents, in the church first, because JUDGMENT BEGINS in the HOUSE OF GOD, and also outside the church to people with no religion at all - "YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN" ...... "TURN TO THE CREATOR, YAHUWEH (GOD ALMIGHTY), because HIS KINGDOM IS NOW AT HAND! CLOSE BY ! HERE< AT THE DOOR> ! " There's no safety, no time to wait - TODAY IF YOU HEAR THE ECHO OF HIS VOICE, do not rebel as they did in the wilderness and perished ! Do not rebel IF you hear His Voice ..... obey Him ! TODAY! If you do not hear His Voice, DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM, while HE MIGHT BE FOUND ....... and KEEP ON SEEKING HIM every day, every night, all the time !

As soon as they are born again by the Will of the Father in heaven! NOT by man's will, nor of the flesh, nor by blood, but as written in SCRIPTURE (TRUTH). That lifelong process idea usually , maybe not always depending on origin and meaning, but usually comes from the apostate believers/ apostate church/ false church/ counterfeit church i.e. bad teaching.

dukdukto search j macarthur to see what false teachings he preached the last 30 years or so (however many).... Reported (with examples /his own words) to be teaching "another Gospel" or a "different Jesus"..... thus the need to be alert and test everything! even if it "seems good" at first, it may be drawing people in by deception !

1 TIMOTHY 2:5 KJV "For [there is] one God, and one mediator ... https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Timothy-2-5/ 5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

If someone is born again, set apart by the Father, then their life should be in line with the Father's Word, and they are seeking His Kingdom in line with His Word, as Jesus often says. If the life is not in line with all the Scripture, but contradicts Yahuweh's Word , Plan and Purpose, then it is false , regardless of how long it has been lived. Desiring money, abnormal or out-of-marriage sex, or worldly power, or accumulating and trusting this world's goods, are the most common indicators someone is not in Christ.

Yahuweh DOES WHATEVER HE PLEASES. This never changes, never changed, never will change. Human speculation or logic or reasoning has no place in His Kingdom. ALWAYS live and speak and do according to HIS WORD !

As written through Hebrews, and all Scripture, suffering for followers of Jesus is expected, and is used by Yahuweh to train us, to wean us away from thinking the way men think , to get us to think like Yahuweh(God) thinks --- it IS HIS BLESSING US ! (not a necessary evil ) ..... REJOICE JESUS SAYS ! Whenever men persecute you and revile you and arrest and torture and kill you ! REJOICES because they DID THE SAME to JESUS and to the PROPHETS before us.... We have a great reward in heaven so REJOICE, YES REJOICE !

DWELLING , LIVING DAILY , in union with Yahushua(Jesus) and with the Father TODAY is a miracle every day, and many miracles every day are recognized ! (regardless whenever something bad happens, or good ! )

Yahuweh the Creator (God, the Father Sovereign in Heaven) took away all fear of death and crucifies all the emotions and desires of the flesh when a person is immersed in Jesus' Name and is Born Again by the Will of the Father in Heaven. Death has no sting. No power over the new creation, NOTHING to fear, for a believer abiding in Jesus today. In fact, it is no longer a word for believers! Since Jesus' Life on earth, SLEEP is used INSTEAD of death (see in the NEW TESTAMENT.

Since I did not judge you, that doesn't make sense here. If you bet it would be lost on all counts. Your conclusion is obviously wrong, and is continually contrary to God's Word according to the book and posts, so whatever method(s), evidence(s), and reason(s) you used led you to a total error.

The highest authority in existence made it law to obey. (for everyone and anyone who wants to be saved from corruption and destruction, to have eternal life)

Without any doubt at all, whatever it is, and all the so-called 'proof'/evidence you thought you could figure it out from, is totally in error..... this is known because of more certain words published decades ago (before T) , clearly and cleanly with all Scripture showing it could not and would not be from the usa. i.e. if someone has done due diligence, with God's Revelation Knowledge of Scripture, and historically just the last twenty years, they would know your evidence and assumptions and "suspicion" is not even feasibly true..... The sources and the premises of the book were so much in error, no truth could come from it.

A lot of people "know in the heart" that they are doing what their 'god' wants them to do, even when they are killing others they think they are doing 'god' a favor ! So test everything, by God's Word, and be certain everything is in line with His Word, not just "in my heart". The arguments on all the various websites/forums/ chatrooms are often because the heart is so deceitful and vain.

yeah, we had that. If there would be more believing posters who know how to respond without resorting to personal attacks... The forum is not restricted to believing posters, nor to posting only the truth (for believers)(they can post almost anything too), so the forum has many more unfaithful, than faithful, naturally. Thus the posts are not leading to Salvation in Christ Jesus for the readers, visitors or members. The "believing posters who know how to respond without resorting to personal attacks ..." doesn't affect most of the forum because most posters will resort to subterfuge, sneaky attacks, outright false teachings and false doctrines , and so forth without restriction - thus it cannot be made "safe" for the weak in faith or for seekers or for little children... (most all the internet is not and cannot or will not ever be "safe"....

If this verse is still not revealed in this thread, and if it is still unknown to you, just ask again, or look in the Apocalypse for it.

Appropriate for the title of this thread too. IN the 50's , the cures known and proven were made illegal, and the use of toxins increased substantially, causing autism(yes, they knew the cause back then) and sids and diabetes and seizures and so forth , without admitting it usually. (and spending billions of dollars to cover it up) ....