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Why, oh why, do so many on earth believe this ? . . .---------- --------------- ------------------- ------------------- ------------------ ------------------- ....................... .................................. ......................................... ......................................... ......................................... ........................................ ----------- --------------- ------------------- ------------------- ------------------- ------------------ . . . . (footnote: for gentiles: He was born on His birthday ! )

hmmmm.......... how did the enemy of Christ change that for mankind/ gentiles/ heathen nations / unbelievers ?

In Scripture yes. In truth, yes. But on earth, as it is ALSO WRITTEN: " a good (wife)(woman) WHO CAN FIND ? " She is a rare surprise in this life, a sheer and free gift from the FATHER IN HEAVEN , more rare than precious jewels.... (same with a good (man) (husband), of course) .....

Well, one point at a time. He preached the GOOD NEWS to the dead. Likewise, in GALATIANS, Yahweh says through Jesus Messiah, through servant Paul, that ALL SOCIETY is grossly wicked and evil and pernicious...... yep, everything of society, every part, completely, totally..... (see WUEST'S Expanded Greek word "pernicioius" in his GALATIANS PDF file online .)

Back to Scripture, ALL SCRIPTURE, and ONLY SCRIPTURE in this. Not what man is saying. ALL SCRIPTURE is GOOD AND TRUE AND PROFITABLE for learning and meant by YAHWEH for ekklesia to learn as HE IS PLEASED to REVEAL and SCRIPTURE is JUDGE for all those who reject JESUS or who oppose YAHWEH. Do not leave off the Levites unless YAHWEH , contrary to HIS OWN WORD, says to (paradox!?) .... Do not forget to bless all who Yahweh says to bless, no matter if HE ADDS OTHERS LATER in HIS WORD, not adding to His Word, but more fully revealing HIS PLAN - HIS PLAN for Levites as well as EVERY LIVING STONE KNIT TOGETHER BY HIM, every joint and signew and ligament DOING AS HE CREATED IT TO DO. Notice especially YAHWEH BLESSES WHO YAHWEH BLESSES as HE is PLEASED TO DO, and we should BLESS EVERYONE who YAHWEH BLESSES as HE SAYS to do. p.s. the change in priesthood DID NOT CHANGE HIS PROMISE, no, NOT ONE OF HIS PROMISES was changed nor dropped.

"Capacity" yes, or opportunity in Yahweh's Grace and Plan and Purpose in Jesus Salvation , YES ! As Yahweh Pleases ! TRUE! YES! HALLELUYH! Also though, not very welcome nor usually many aware nor agreeing with honoring Yahweh and Scripture in society everywhere, and on forums.

This is totally true.

""This kind of rhetoric, which emphasizes" the need to eliminate one group of people to preserve the "purity" of another, is extraordinarily dangerous. " quote of a statement in a book I can't get, about Kaiser and his 'religion'. In other sites, Kaiser (and I think his school also) is recognized as a false teacher. Instead of derailing this thread though, look online (whoever's interested). Ken Ham passed all the tests of Scripture. Kaiser did not/does not/ . Neither does Ross as noted: Details Ten programs plus bonus commentary in this DVD 5-pack! This series of debates is must-viewing for all Christian leaders. It includes ten 25-minute segments on 5 DVDs and an exclusive bonus commentary track by geology historian Dr. Terry Mortenson. Ken Ham, AiG president, is perhaps the most widely recognized creation-apologist in the world today. In this 5-disk set of DVDs, he and AiG astrophysicist Dr. Jason Lisle engage Drs. Hugh Ross (Reasons to Believe) and Walt Kaiser (president of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary), both of whom are proponents of an old earth, no-global-flood view of Bible interpretation. In this eye-opening debate, well-mannered disagreement is punctuated by intriguing confrontations as these four Christian leaders communicate their views. Ham and Lisle implore Ross and Kaiser to accept the Genesis account of history as written, while Ross and Kaiser argue for their view that the first chapters of Genesis are more symbolism than history.

Guess you weren't online yet:

Many who have been deceived by evolution and by society don't like Ken Ham. He totally silenced everyone who was willing to debate with him, including Phds, doctorates, experts etc .... His message, as far as was seen years ago at least, was wonderful and pertinent and CHRISTIANS DELIGHTED IN THE TRUTH ! https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/dinosaurs-and-the-bible/

Perhaps. Remember there were those for thousands of years bc who YAHWEH called Godly and/or Righteous and/or Faithful and/or Blameless , and gentiles (Romans 2) then and today perhaps, declared "JUSTIFIED" for doing TORAH, showing that TORAH is written in their hearts by YAHWEH, even when they did not/do not/ have Scripture .....

BIBLE! YES ! No. What God Reveals, the TRUTH, is not "at Christ's birth"Christmas celebration as done by all society/ most churches practices. What God Reveals is ALL BY HIS WORD AND TRUTH, revealed BY HIS SPIRIT, not in line with mankinds practices. People have learned more false and misleading things from the practice of Christmas, which none of the Apostles or disciples practi ed, and not one of them taught. (it is not taught anywhere in Scripture nor by Yahweh; ) ...... Actually, God does whatever He Pleases. He does His Will to the Righteous, and to the wicked, both. No permission needed. See the next line: (no permission from the ungodly needed; nor from the Godly , btw) He calls and chooses and sets apart ekklesia (the true unseen body of Christ on earth) to OBEY HIM, no matter what, like the faithful Apostles did PROCLAIMING CHRIST CRUCIFIED, THE GOSPEL, everywhere they lived, everywhere they went, by their words and by their lives, SERVING THE SUFFERING, THE POOR, as needed AND ALSO including at the gathering at ATHENS. (rich pagans, not many "less fortunate and suffering" apparent there) Yes, but Christmas actually denies this. See many years and many many posts / threads showing why Christmas was chosen as a holiday, not related at all to His Birth nor to Scripture. Today Even More mass (sick) marketing than every before. That is every day, "they were continually full of peace, joy and righteousness" , every day, continually, FOR EKKLESIA. Jesus prayed for JOY for the disciples , "not for all people do I (Jesus) PRAY, but for these disciples" i.e. not for all people. Never in history so far, except for 2 possible short periods in time. Who believes the BIBLE ? A few. Not many. (no one has ever found "Christmas" celebration in the BIBLE as it is practiced in the world today by most all churches and whoever. ) It is a point of great controversy between all those who believe and who want to believe the BIBLE, and those who do not believe and who may not want to believe the BIBLE. Well, the wise men learned and believed the TRUTH and honored JESUS , this is TRUE SCRIPTURE and REALITY in YAHWEH. These are a rebuke to all who have easy access to the Gospel of Christ and all the history and all the exposure of what is the TRUTH, and what is not, and how so many believe what is NOT TRUTH anyway.

Amen. Praying. HalleluYAH TO YAHWEH !

Yes. It is. Yes, people will do all they can to discourage you. Listen to Him , Abide in His Word, Let His Word Abide in you. Trust and Rely on Yahweh by Grace in Jesus Perfect Faithfulness to fulfill all of His Promises.. Don't make more , and don't make less of His Word than He Says. Don't add to His Word, and don't take away from His Word. Trust Yahweh to reveal His Word, His Understanding is a GIFT from HIM.

Sorrow upon sorrow. In answer to asking, and keep asking, always in line and harmony and accuracy with Yahweh's Word, Would it not be DELIGHTFUL and GRACIOUS and EXHILIRATING and HEALING and NUTURING and LIFE-ENHANCING in TRUTH if Yahweh answered with His Word and Promise to Accomplish what you have not yet seen ? (Utterly Subject to Jesus and True to His Word completely) Yahweh's Promise, His Word always Truth, is "seek, and keep on seeking, and ye shall find, " . (find what you have not found, only available from Yahweh, as His Word clearly shows ) What does this mean Marilyn ?

haha, yes, Jeff to Jeff, come in Jeff , are you there ? "Heaven to Jeff" Shalom in Jesus, King in Heaven and King of the Jews! That's not a surprise finding a doctor who is both good, honest and affordable is impossible (for man), but what is impossible with man is possible with Yahweh. (so we look to Yahweh, and not to man) (see? Simple! )

Actually, only a few can appraise things as written in Scripture. Most cannot, and do not, and do not care about that. Often the angry ones (they think they have reason to be angry or upset) are the ones who have not been forgiven yet, and only subconsciously know this, and think (emotionally) that their upset-ed-ness is 'justified' and even that God or Scripture backs them up for some reason known or unknown. Many rcc members , for instance (very clearly) act offended, claim "no love", etc etc etc when the false gospel of the rcc is exposed. Likewise, members of fellowships/ assemblies or churches that live and teach a religious form, without power but deny the power, that denies the peace and/or joy and / or righteousness that is present in true assemblies without fail, they often and easily get upset if the cart they trust in is shaken or exposed personally (individually) or corporately (the group). The test and the proof is simple: when they accept the Scripture as Yahweh Reveals to all ekklesia as the Authority, instead of feelings, emotions, or other man-made sources, they are over-joyed and rejoicing with the truth, delighted in glorifying the FATHER in HEAVEN in all things, and not sad, mad, or upset that their group or doctrine is 'in danger of' (close to being) exposed as wrong somehow (by anyone).

When someone doesn't know something, they are ignorant of the facts. That's very common, of all people on may things, and it is not an insult itself. (i.e. it is not an insult when "ignorant" is used properly according to its definition )

Jesus and the Apostles and the disciples (and the PROPHETS) ALL WERE CALLED TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE IDOLATORS ! Every follower of JESUS must take a stance AGAINST THE FALSE GOSPEL SHOWING UP HERE. Every one of them. Otherwise as @Davida posted: "the lemmings that think they ARE hearing the Gospel" from their church or other long time posters here on the forum, or from a deceitful wolf propagating a prosperity gospel on television or the internet, from those who claim to be "Christian" whether they are or not, dispensing false teachings from at best emotionalism (perhaps the least harmful of all the false gospels) ... who have posted for years without accepting correction, reproof, edification, or learning true knowledge from God the Father nor from HIS SON JESUS. When their emotions get overcome, they react, instead of seeking the Father, Jesus, and the TRUTH.

..... His only such 'work' if you want to call it that, that is written in Scripture , or did you read the writings of his day(if there are some) that explained what he did the previous 3 years, and when he was a child , and that he had no other 'works' as you call them ?

There are or could be many external reasons for that. The simple one is found sooner or later by reading in the worthychristianlibrary.com for 'confirmation' of Yahweh's WORD that you already read and know and probably were told "why" but haven't been able to bring yourself to accept it yet, perhaps not until someone else points it out from Yahweh, from Scripture. It is actually a very common "deep down" and "value" and necessary to find out to live as CHRIST JESUS lived and as the FATHER in HEAVEN directs us all to live IN HIM, obediently, with instant obedience, with fullness of joy, peace and righteousness CONTINUALLY, DAILY, as written of the ekklesia in the NT. Yes, this is very common also. (and is meant to be resolved, but most people are told NOT TO ) THis is possible as HE SAYS in HIS WORD "let not many desire to be teachers,....." etc ..... because of the much more severe discipline needed , and the judgment we receive as teachers instead of being other workers supporting teachers for the Gospel's Sake in Jesus. The responsibility for others is far greater than 9999 of 10000 realize. The angels REJOICE IN HEAVEN when ONE SOUL, just ONE, is saved ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! (and FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE SAVED) And all the true believers with them REJOICE EXCEEDINGLY ALSO !!!!!!!!! David Wilkerson "Cross and the Switchblade" book, "Teen Challenge" , GOOD SERMONS ONLINE STILL (David died a few years ago). He did not need the addicts, prostitutes, drug dealers, and defiled ministers/pastors to be there for him. God sent David to HEAL THEM, to DELIVER THEM (including many demons cast out) , and to MAKE DISCIPLES OF THEM, SERVING JESUS as JESUS SAYS. This is normal also, and very common. The "GROWTH" YAHWEH can give to you is NECESSARY, so keep seeking HIM. Jesus was misunderstood , and is still today misunderstood by the majority of people visiting and by all who are living on earth. "THIS SPOT IS LEFT BLANK ON PURPOSE" Yes, YAHWEH CREATED everything SIMPLE. Men came up with MANY DEVICES. (distractions, lies, subterfuges, other ways, etc) Yes. True. Being set free from complacency can be a long time dealing by YAHWEH, or might take 2 minutes. The world is dark. ("dark terms") and dangerous. Most of the world REJECTS THE LIGHT OF HOPE (JESUS), because they are evil, their deeds and lives and actions and thoughts are evil. It is EPIC, in the sense that eternal judgment, death, separation from everything good, and more, is the result. "Mediocre" may be the same as "dead" and "separated from LIFE; opposed to JESUS" : JESUS is NEVER mediocre. Yahweh's PURPOSE is PERFECT, completely provided for in JESUS (sin, guilt, shame, JESUS BORE ALL FOR US IN HIM), PROVISIONS for all life , generously , from the FATHER in HEAVEN, HE PREPARED COMPLETELY <BEFORE> the world was even created. (PLANNED, ACCOUNTED FOR, KNEW EVERYTHING, KNOWS EVERYTHING, IS NEVER SURPRISED) MAIN MESSAGE ? ! <<< CHRIST CRUCIFIED !!!!!!!>>> and RAISED FROM THE DEAD so that we may have hope for life everlasting ! OVERFLOW WITH HIM ALWAYS , always, abide in HIM. Amen. HALLELUYAH! MARANANTHA ! COME QUICKLY LORD JESUS !

(natural honest doctor, and simple solutions) Both available, but cannot be advertised on the forum. Keep seeking , and you will find.

Not only Catholics, but many in other chruches too - only they don't have to choose on their own to "leave" - like Martin Luther, Charles Chiniquoy, Joan of Arc, the messengers of Yahweh, the disciples of Jesus born of Yahweh by Yahweh's Will , whenever anyone STANDS UP FOR TRUTH, they GET KICKED OUT ! (or murdered/ imprisoned/ tortured (yes, even today) ) ....

PERFECT HEALING AND SALVATION IS THE PURPOSE OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS FROM YAHWEH TO THE WORLD all around us. (including to visiting the forum, members and non-members alike all over the world)

For most people all around us, for most visitors and a lot of "citizens of ATHENS" it is NOT GOOD AT ALL ! They go on partying , shopping, spending, drinking, dancing, marrying and giving in marriage just as if JESUS IS NOT RETURNING, just as if JUDGMENT IS NOT AT HAND. So then, if they do not turn to YAHWEH in repentance to be healed, saved and delivered from SATAN, they are not healed, saved nor delivered from SATAN. THE GREATEST JOYOUSNESS for US (EKKLESIA ON EARTH) and for THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN is over ONE SOULS THAT IS SAVED, when they are saved, NOT over the others that keep going their own way, dead in sin and trespasses, even arm in arm , hand in hand, with the churches on the wide road to destruction.