simplejeff

Most people in the world, in the usa, joining forums, are subject to pride.

Many people reckon they will just pay the fine if it becomes required. When it is a lot less than the insurance OR BETTER: if it is by FAITH in CHRIST and a GOOD CONSCIENCE.

Don't .

LadyKay, IF you go to their house for the sake of the GOSPEL/ GOOD NEWS/ as a representative of Yahweh's Kingdom((i.e. as a true believer following Jesus)) then it is simple: tell them what the Father in Heaven says to say. period. That might be as you said , ask them why they feel okay with it; and be ready to show reason from Scripture why carnal and worldly and idolatry is not becoming for a Christian's home. ((IF they want to know )). Usually, though, as Jesus says "IF I AM LIFTED UP" i.e. talk about Jesus and His grace and Mercy and Judgment of sin and FORGIVENESS by HIS BLOOD. Not about all the things that He calls us out of. That's later.

Most leaders and people didn't 'like' the delivery of Yochanan the immerser ((and still don't today)) but those who accept it and were immersed accept Yeshua as the MESSIAH; those who did not accept it REJECTED Yeshua . Same later with the disciples Yeshua sent out preaching "repent". People still don't like it today, all over the world. UNLESS the FATHER GRANTS IT TO THEM. Then they do.

It is written to those others: you search the Scriptures thinking ...... ((and rejecting the Savior)) ((we abiding and immersed in Yeshua delight in His Word, but revelation is always needed)) but Yahweh did not say here anyone could learn , even Peter,through the written word: MATTHEW 16:17 KJ21 And Jesus answered and said unto him, “Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father who is in Heaven. ASV And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father who is in heaven. AMP Then Jesus answered him, “Blessed [happy, spiritually secure, favored by God] are you, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood (mortal man) did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. ==================================================== John 3:27 To this John replied, "A person can receive only what is ... biblehub.com/john/3-27.htm ‎ John replied, "No one can receive anything unless God gives it from heaven. ... John responded, "No one can receive a single thing unless it's given to him from .... why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them .

That's exactly NOT what JESUS told PETER . Also, that's exactlyi NOT what Yochanan the Immerser told those who listened to him.

Did it once have 'salt'? Yes. Salt is always rare, remember.((not popular)) Just like magazines and shows in the media the most popular threads and posts are entirely worldly and carnal((and contrary to Scripture like Paul said in Corintians;)). Only a few have 'salt'. That's normal, that's okay, unless someone thinks they can trust the pagan notions that outsiders post daily. Since the biggest population anywhere is worldly, that's normal and expected.

There's many places in His Word He explains simply. "Yahweh created everything simple; man came up with many devices".((errors; distractions; false doctrines)) For instance: one of man's false doctrines is 'we are in the 8th day'; developed to support a multitude((many many lifetimes)) of false doctrine and pagan practices)) This is patently a false doctrine, never ever accept it believe it. Likewise, the source of it - don't accept anything from a bad source. Instead, Rely and Trust the Father in heaven for all knowledge needed, in line with all His Word. Exactly. Simple, eh? Yahweh doesn't Tell someone in china something contradictory to anything He Tells someone in Jerusalem. If anything contradictory/ in error/ comes up , it is from man or lower. MOST of the world church(es) are taught contradictory. Always. Depends on who you listen to, Yahweh or men/mankind/ church(es). Correct - but realize "many Christians try to pull" does not affect nor refer to the ones set apart by Yahweh for Himself, whether the 144,000 or the 7,000 who HAVE NOT BENT their knee to baal. It drives people away from Christ just as it was designed to do. ((re Richard Wurmbrand described)) Yahweh still reveals the Truth to others, who realize when they meet the True Christ, there is the difference between life and death, light and darkness, Truth and false. Yahweh DOES NOT LIE like men everywhere do. He reveals the Truth, clearly.

Om, it is written perfectly clear that Yahweh gives discernment, wisdom, knowledge, along with salvation , peace, joy AND RIGHTEOUSNESS. The Bible is, on purpose, clear enough as Jesus says for little children to understand it.((as they have for 2000 years, opposing this wicked world, being set apart by Yahweh and keeping themselves "unstained by the world" )). No hanky panky .

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...repost. That might be what they say, still. But no one((in the system, or in the ekklesia)) believes it anymore... As I think it is written in Scripture, the high inflation , in every area but one or 2 perhaps. The system spawns fraud, widely. Thus, the always widening gap permitted by every means of deception in high places.

I know you're asking William, but you or he can see the very long answer by searching "Waldensians mother of harlots" and see what the believers knew many centuries ago that is more and more covered up today as hasatan is released more and more throughout all the society and world. Jesus Himself Spoke directly to people The Father in Heaven called children of the devil (( the source of all evil, so directly)).

Shalom Rusty, Not everything. It just gets going round in circles though here if it's debated. Best , simplest solution if someone is curious anyway is to keep seeking and reading Hebrew/Jewish Christian sites and sources. simple, jeff --------------------((below is somewhat pertinent left in buffer from a previous time so I left it))------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. His chosen disciples did at times go and/or speak against His Direction, ((His wishes?-- Did He ever , in eternity, "wish" anything ? )) ... ... Is it a surprise His Own disciples went against Him at times ? The whole world TODAY goes against His Direction - the world church opposes Him, the churches that go along with the world church oppose Him, all the other religions oppose Him ... He asked once, when the son of man returns , will He find faith on earth ? TODAY, a remnant. Being all persecuted, possibly growing in some places.... Tomorrow? who knows ? Will we all be martyred ? ((by the new world order, prevalent world wide TODAY))

'the harlot' promotes poisoning children and adults, causing much disease, dis - ease, confrontations ((children against parents))** ((children against teachers))*** ((children against police)) , ((husbands and wives against each other)) babylon is in full swing with its purpose "to kill, everyone possible any age status creed beliefs ...............................................................................to steal, loyalty faithfulness faith hope joy peace ..................................................................and to destroy" anyone's chance at salvation , souls are marketed widespread the clues are out in the open, directly seen, by everyone turning to Yahweh for salvation, hope, eternal life, freedom from demons and from deception

Actually, from all I've ever seen and heard and read, all the men of God trusting Him (and not trusting the enemy church) believe in the millennium -the 'a-mil' deception was devised on purpose as part of a huge scheme to keep people from finding the truth and God's Kingdom.

That is understood better when the head covering is understood/ explained / from Scripture, in perfect harmony with all Yahweh's Word. This also happens to explain much loss and why believer's prayers aren't answered at times, similar to as it is written in Corinthians when the body is not recognized. http://www.thesimpletruth.net/booklet/headcovering.html In an entirely separate book "Love One Another" by Nee, the necessity of the head covering ((and the uniqueness to the body of Christ under God's Divine Government, distinct from all other Jews and gentiles )) is clearly revealed from Scripture also. The pdf book is available online free.((if in paperback, be sure to get one by cfp-Christian Fellowship Publishers; other publisher adulterated the meaning and the purpose of Scripture))

Marilyn, Perhaps if you see the search results for the terms : < Waldensians "Mother of harlots" >((about Waldensians many centuries ago; modern Waldensians have been assimilated by the false)) it will help ... perhaps not. ((It's not a "quick" find, nor a "fast" read... would that it was so easy ! ... More like good seed, it has taken days, weeks, months, and years; even decades; as Yahweh Gives Growth and Understanding - and that's AFTER initial Revelation of the Truth; the hardest, longest time is needed because we are inundated with what is false everywhere and everything needs testing before being accepted )) There might have been earlier revelations of the abomination, but the Waldensians were one of the earliest who rejected the false and whose blood was shed for their faith. An unbelievable amount of false ... ... well, false everything, has taken place the last few decades. More this year coming than any other year in our lives. Just 45 years ago it was remarkably and notably easier to find the truth without evil mixture and deception compared to today.

Those who try to interpret, or accept man's or demon's interpretation, don't understand because the interpretation for them can change minute to minute, or century to century, or year to year. God says not to interpret. That's so simple, they cannot get it. Just plain read what is written. God reveals the Truth to those seeking Him; not to others. Of course, to those who are not disciples of Jesus, it remains a mystery unknown.

300 posts ? 300 years ! plus much more. As thousands upon thousands of people saved from the rcc and scores of reformers and men of Yahweh have shown with no doubt from Scripture, for hundreds to thousands of years, the pope and ecf aren't honest nor are they reliable as a so-called resource.

Ask Him ((in His Word)). Yahweh does whatever He Pleases. Also, what did Yahweh do today ? Psalm 135:6Amplified Bible (AMP) 6 Whatever the Lord pleases, He does, In the heavens and on the earth, in the seas and all deeps— Amplified Bible (AMP)

"for days and years" should be enough.

In Genesis 1:14 we read that God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night: and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years."

The end of the 7th day is 'visible' all through Scripture, as in there's a 1st day of the next week all the time, in Harmony with all of Scripture. Who ever taught otherwise ?

In Exodus 20, how do you figure the 7th day is not 24 hours ? ((Hasn't it always been ? ))