If I offended anyone, I am truly sorry, that was not my intent, I was merely trying to show a someone in chat that had a very dark view of God. that His true nature is not that of an angry God. We know this because Jesus was the true representation of God, and Jesus did on earth exactly what He saw God do...
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father...
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
...and that not only is God Holy but He is the ultimate example of Love:
1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Jesus was sinless and upheld the law of Moses, but yet He forgave a woman that broke the law and was condemned to death by the very law of Moses: (John 8:1-11) He touched the untouchable according to the law (Matt. 8:3). He had fellowship with the those that we un lovable and vexed (Luke 8:2). By doing all of this He showed the true nature of God, the God of Grace and Mercy that the Old Testament didn’t reveal.
I wasn’t bashing the old testament or the law of Moses. It was not my intention to imply that the old testament was wrong, bad, or inaccurate but that it was incomplete without the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I base this belief on: John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. The law was created to show us that we couldn’t be good enough, that we needed a Savior.
1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
The young man I was having the discussion with was under guilt and condemnation and I was pointing out why he felt this way:
Romans 3:19-20 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
We could never keep the law because it is Spiritual: Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. (Full context Romans 7:13-25)
I asked for New Testament scriptures after the death on the Cross because: Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
I was trying to convey that God is no longer angry after the Cross: Rom. 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Because of what Jesus did, I wanted this young man to know that he was now in right standing with God and that he shouldn’t live in guilt:
2 Corinthians 5:2: For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
The uproar came from my remark (paraphrasing because I can’t remember my exact quote) “If God caused all the suffering in people, He would now be considered a child abuser” All the scriptures above prove that God’s nature is Holy and good, exactly like what we saw in Jesus, that He’s no longer angry with us, and that through all of these things He views us as children and righteous. And how can a loving God put illness and calamity on His children if He is now seeing us as righteous? If God is love (charity) then He is the example of 1 Corinthians 13: 1-13
1 Corinthians 13: 4-13 (NIV)
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
How can God, after pouring out His wrath on Jesus, being patient and kind, not dishonoring others, not self seeking, not easily angered, keeps no record of wrongs, always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres, His love never fails subject His children to sickness or disease? I said it was because we live in a fallen world and some things could be consequences for our actions, but not a discipline or punishment from God.
I know there are many more scriptures and this is not meant for a debate, but a clarification to the people that were in chat on Saturday, June 17, 2017, of what I was trying to convey and from where in the Bible I got my beliefs.
I stand by what I have said, I have given scriptures for what I have said. I am not part of any off the wall faith movement or follower of a certain religion founder or from any reformation, although I do admire things in all religious beliefs that place Jesus as the only atonement for sin.