Is OSAS true

[givennewname]

The difference between the two is that in "Eternal Security", we choose to live a life through Christ, the "OSAS" is where we choose to live any life and as long as we believe, we will be saved

I don't think OSAS encourages loose living... i obey Christ because he loves me and he says my sheep knows his vioce.. If a real christian hears the vioce of God and the prompting of the holy Spirit, obeying Christ should not be a problem.. It has nothing to do with OSAS..

[Guest shiloh357]

There is no such doctrine as OSAS. There is only a doctrine call Perseverance of the Saints. OSAS is a strawman arguement

Tell that to all those that stake their lives on it.

OSAS is what YOU call it. You pervert what we believe and assign values to us that we do not profess. You put the lie in our mouths and then argue against it.

Call it perseverance of the saints, eternal security, OSAS, Free Grace, Easy believism, call it anything you want it is still false doctrine, that produces nothing but bad fruit, and sends many to hell unsuspecting.

Eternal Security does not produce bad fruit. You cannot lay the blame for someone living in sin on Eternal Security. Jimmy Swaggert didn't believe in Eternal Security; he preached against that doctrine. Did that stop him from visiting prostitutes??? Jim Bakker didn't believe in Eternal Security either; that didn't stop him from fraud and sexual immorality. I have grown up with people who were not raised to believe in Eternal Security and they drank, slept around, pretty much lived like the world. Rejection of Eternal Security does not provide a bulwark against immorality or sin.

The problem is not with a doctrine, but with the fact that they are living out of fellowship with God, have fallen to worldly influences, and have failed to renew their minds in the Word of God. This applies to people on both sides of the debate.

There are enough godly people who believe in Eternal Security who don't live in sin, to discredit your illinformed rant about it producing "nothing but bad fruit." There are enough ungodly "Christians" who don't believe in Eternal Security to silence any argument that tries to lay the blame of ungodliness on a doctrine.

There are godly and sinful people who believe in Eternal Security. There are godly and sinful people who don't believe in eternal security. So your blanket accusation simply doesn't hold water.

[givennewname]

The difference between the two is that in "Eternal Security", we choose to live a life through Christ, the "OSAS" is where we choose to live any life and as long as we believe, we will be saved

I don't think OSAS encourages loose leaving... i obey Christ because he loves me and he says my sheep knows his vioce.. If a real christian hears the vioce of God and the prompting of the holy Spirit, obeying Christ should not be a problem.. It has nothing to do with OSAS..

You are correct, a real christian will obey Christ no matter what the doctrinal view on eternal security/OSAS is, but what about those that are lost and do not realize it because they have been told once they get saved they will always be saved. They are out their living in sin thinking they are eternally secure. When they die and go to hell it will be partly their own fault for the selfish sinful lifestyle, and it will be partly the fault of the false teaching and false TEACHERS of OSAS/Eternal Security.

Actually, it is the self righteous man who does not need God, not the sinful ones... Every alcoholic lyig in the gutter will admit he has a problem, so will the thief who hung on the cross next to Jesus... the ones who will not or more difficult to reach ae the self righteous pharaisee who thinks they do not need God because they are so good.

I used to have this problem with my dad.. He was a very moral and upright man and does not see the need to be saved from his sin, because compared to others, he is a very compassionate and upright man. That is why Jesus says he camme to help the sick.. those sick spiritually. and it is thse who will flock to Christ...

[OneLight]

The difference between the two is that in "Eternal Security", we choose to live a life through Christ, the "OSAS" is where we choose to live any life and as long as we believe, we will be saved

I don't think OSAS encourages loose living... i obey Christ because he loves me and he says my sheep knows his vioce.. If a real christian hears the vioce of God and the prompting of the holy Spirit, obeying Christ should not be a problem.. It has nothing to do with OSAS..

I know of those who live a life in sin because they believe that they will go to heaven only because they accepted Christ as their savior long ago. They claim to stand on the OSAS teachings. If this is not you, then great, you are more of the teaching of Eternal Security then OSAS.

[OneLight]

The difference between the two is that in "Eternal Security", we choose to live a life through Christ, the "OSAS" is where we choose to live any life and as long as we believe, we will be saved

I don't think OSAS encourages loose leaving... i obey Christ because he loves me and he says my sheep knows his vioce.. If a real christian hears the vioce of God and the prompting of the holy Spirit, obeying Christ should not be a problem.. It has nothing to do with OSAS..

You are correct, a real christian will obey Christ no matter what the doctrinal view on eternal security/OSAS is, but what about those that are lost and do not realize it because they have been told once they get saved they will always be saved. They are out their living in sin thinking they are eternally secure. When they die and go to hell it will be partly their own fault for the selfish sinful lifestyle, and it will be partly the fault of the false teaching and false TEACHERS of OSAS/Eternal Security.

You are confused on what Eternal Security is. Answer me this, if you gave your life to Christ, lived as He willed and continued this way the rest of your life, is not your eternity secure with Him?

[givennewname]

The difference between the two is that in "Eternal Security", we choose to live a life through Christ, the "OSAS" is where we choose to live any life and as long as we believe, we will be saved

I don't think OSAS encourages loose living... i obey Christ because he loves me and he says my sheep knows his voice.. If a real christian hears the voice of God and the prompting of the holy Spirit, obeying Christ should not be a problem.. It has nothing to do with OSAS..

I know of those who live a life in sin because they believe that they will go to heaven only because they accepted Christ as their savior long ago. They claim to stand on the OSAS teachings. If this is not you, then great, you are more of the teaching of Eternal Security then OSAS.

I do not understand the eternal security and my brain refuse to comprehend it.. partly because the process of salvation depends on Christ's righteousness rather than our own. Our sense of justice do not allow us to digest this mentally, that some pretty unsavory character will go into heaven no matter whether we feel it is just to let them in..

The problem arises because we tend to judge by our own standards and not God's standards. Let me give you an example. If we read the Old Testament, most people would frown on polygamy, some would even say if one has many wives, he deserves hell, whether on earth or in eternity. But consider God's perspective.. many Christians would condemn polygamy but would not hesitate in indulging in free sex, cohabitation and multiple affairs. At least the man who practice polygamy has the decency to marry the woman he had sex with...

not that i am an advocate for polygamy.

The process of salvation involves justification, a process that is so revolutionary that it rebels against our intellect.. sanctification is also so confusing, how can one grow more and more like Jesus over time, when all evidence suggest we mess up more and more over time and that some Christians can grow cold over time? However the scriptures teach eternal security.. Jesus says that none that the Father has given him, he has lost. The question is not is a Christan able to lose his salvation.. it is whether Jesus can lose his sheep...

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his own begotten son that whosoever believes in him has eternal life... It is not eternal life if he can lose it.. Eternal life begins at conversion.. not when a christian is dead.. the minute he believes, eternal life starts

[OneLight]

The difference between the two is that in "Eternal Security", we choose to live a life through Christ, the "OSAS" is where we choose to live any life and as long as we believe, we will be saved

I don't think OSAS encourages loose living... i obey Christ because he loves me and he says my sheep knows his vioce.. If a real christian hears the vioce of God and the prompting of the holy Spirit, obeying Christ should not be a problem.. It has nothing to do with OSAS..

I know of those who live a life in sin because they believe that they will go to heaven only because they accepted Christ as their savior long ago. They claim to stand on the OSAS teachings. If this is not you, then great, you are more of the teaching of Eternal Security then OSAS.

I do not understand the eternal security and my brain refuse to comprehend it.. partly because the process of salvation depeds on Christ's righteousness rather than our own. Our sence of justice do not allow us to digest this mentally, that some pretty unsavory character will go into heaven no matter whether we feel it is just to let them in..

The problem arises because we tend to judge by our own standards and not God's standards. Let me give you an example. If we read the Old Testament, most people would frown on polygamy, some would even say if one has many wives, he deserves hell, whether on earth or in eternity. But consider God's perspective.. many Christians would comdemn polygamy but would not hesiate in indulging in free sex, cohabitating and multiple affairs. At least the man who practice polygamy has the decency to marry the woman he had sex with...

not that i am an advocate for polygamy.

The process of salvation involves justification, a process that is so revolutionary that it rebels against our intellect.. santification is also so confusing, how can one grow more and more like Jesus over time, when all eveidence suggest we mess up more and more over time and that some Christians can grow cold over time? However the scriptures teach eternal security.. Jesus says that none that the Father has given him, he has kept.. The question is not is a christan able to lose his salvation.. it is whether Jesus can lose his sheep...

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his own begotten son that whosoever believes in him has eternal life... It is not eternal life if he can lose it.. Eternal life begins at conversion.. not when a christian is dead.. the minute he believes, eternal life starts

I outlined one part to let you know that it is worded wrong, so you can change it. I believe you meant to say ...

John 18:9

that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke,

[Ddavid from NC]

You know something has been discussed a lot with an acronym like OSAS can be used and everyone already knows what you are talking about. But, I wonder if anyone is learning anything or if anyone is changing their opinion. As believer in the Eternal Security of a Believer, I would like to know what your interpretation of the parable of The Son Who Stayed Home in Luke 15 is. Oh, you probablky know it as the parable of The Prodigal Son. But Jesus' point was about the harsh judgment of the critical son who stayed home, but didn't have the heart of the father

[Rick-Parker]

The difference between the two is that in "Eternal Security", we choose to live a life through Christ, the "OSAS" is where we choose to live any life and as long as we believe, we will be saved

I don't think OSAS encourages loose leaving... i obey Christ because he loves me and he says my sheep knows his vioce.. If a real christian hears the vioce of God and the prompting of the holy Spirit, obeying Christ should not be a problem.. It has nothing to do with OSAS..

You are correct, a real christian will obey Christ no matter what the doctrinal view on eternal security/OSAS is, but what about those that are lost and do not realize it because they have been told once they get saved they will always be saved. They are out their living in sin thinking they are eternally secure. When they die and go to hell it will be partly their own fault for the selfish sinful lifestyle, and it will be partly the fault of the false teaching and false TEACHERS of OSAS/Eternal Security.

Those who believe in ES/OSAS do not adhere to the freedom to sin crude. We adhere to the truth that once a person REALLY accepts Christ with their heart, soul and mind, they are saved, no matter what. That is what the Bible teaches. HOWEVER, we also believe that if you continue in your sinful ways, continue to willfully sin and not have had a permanent life changing experience through the Holy Spirit, that you were never saved in the first place and have no salvation in you. We believe that once a person is truly saved, they are unable to walk away, because their lives have been wholly changed through surrender. Even if one should "back-slide" they remain redeemed by the Blood. Like the Prodigal son.

Everyone does receive judgment from the Lord. But the Saints' judgment is through the Blood and deals only with the treasures laid up in heaven. Those remaining are judged through the Law. There is no comparison between the two.

Ezekiel33, I could say that you are teaching a lie, too. So why don't you back off from the venomous attitude towards those who believe different from you, equally supported by scripture?

[EricH]

There is no such doctrine as OSAS. There is only a doctrine call Perseverance of the Saints. OSAS is a strawman arguement

Tell that to all those that stake their lives on it.

OSAS is what YOU call it. You pervert what we believe and assign values to us that we do not profess. You put the lie in our mouths and then argue against it.

Call it perseverance of the saints, eternal security, OSAS, Free Grace, Easy believism, call it anything you want it is still false doctrine, that produces nothing but bad fruit, and sends many to hell unsuspecting.

OK, Please articulate Perseverance of the Saints for me. Since you say it is false, I would expect you understand it completely and would never pronounce something false until you had a complete understanding of it. By the way, it is a logical fallacy to argue against a doctrine based on potential bad outcomes of believing the doctrine. Something may be true even if it produces bad outcomes.