The Trinity

[BobTriez]

So to answer your question, "Do I believe that Jesus is God?"  The answer is yes and no.  Jesus is God, but not The God.  The Father is "The God"

I do believe in the Father, the Son (I am, Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.  I do not beilive that they are one and the same, nor do I believe that they are equal.

If we can not agree at this level let me know.

Well Sam, I disagree with you. What you are saying in a nutshell is that Jesus is not equal to the Father....while He chose to be submissive while on earth - to become a man like us - yet He was & is still God....notice what Paul says -

Philippians 2:6-7

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Here we clearly see that Jesus, though fully God willingly became also a man for our sake. That does not make Him less...He thought it NOT robbery to be equal with God.

So I would ask you to clarify your position as to why you feel Jesus is not equal to God.

In HIM,

Bob

[Guest idied2]

I do believe in the Father, the Son (I am, Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. I do not beilive that they are one and the same, nor do I believe that they are equal.

Was JESUS Lieing to us in this scripture?

John 14:

8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." 9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug: :hug:

[Guest idied2]

1 Cor 8:5-6

5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

In the scripture above how can paul say. "from whom are all things" after refering to GOD and then after refering to the LORD JESUS CHRIST?

If they are not one and the same and of the same spirit and the same nature?

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug: :hug:

[other one]

1 Cor 8:5-6

5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

In the scripture above how can paul say. "from whom are all things" after refering to GOD and then after refering to the LORD JESUS CHRIST?

If they are not one and the same and of the same spirit and the same nature?

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug: :hug:

Because the Father is not the "God" in the old testament that Moses saw and talked with. Jesus was "I Am" in the old testament in the image of God. They didn't know the Father.

Moses and Aaron and 70 of the elders of Israel saw the God of Israel, and marveled that they didn't die. Jesus said very plainly that no man has seen the Father..... only the Son. So it is not possible that the God of the old testament is "The God" that Jesus tells us about in the New Testament which is the Father. The Word in the first chapter of John is what Moses saw and interfaced with. Just as in Jesus day, the Father was working through the Son (or what the Son was before he set it aside to become a man.

Of course this is my personal thoughts and beliefs, I do not profess to be a prophet.

Sam

[Guest idied2]

Because the Father is not the "God" in the old testament that Moses saw and talked with. Jesus was "I Am" in the old testament in the image of God. They didn't know the Father.

here are all the scriptures that say that GOD and the FATHER are the same.

Joh 6:27

Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him."

1Co 15:24

Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

Ga 1:1

Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead),

Ga 1:3

Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ,

Eph 5:20

giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Eph 6:23

Peace to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 2:11

and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Col 3:17

And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.

1Th 1:1

Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2Ti 1:2

To Timothy, a beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

Tit 1:4

To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.

1Pe 1:2

elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

2Pe 1:17

For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

2Jo 1:3

Grace, mercy, and peace will be with you from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Jude 1:1

Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug: :hug:

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Hi,

I dont see God as three individuals as most christians tend to do. The bible says that God created man in his own image and likness. Therefore we are created like God. I dont view my own self as three individuals even thought I do have a Spirit, Soul and a Body just as God has a Spirit, Soul and Body which makes up one individual.

1Th 5:23 Now the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly: and your whole spirit, and soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

This is how I view God.

Spirit = Holy Spirit

Soul = Father

Body= Jesus

These three make up one God not three indiviuals are three persons but one person. Just as my Spirit, Soul and Body make up one me not three of me. Remeber we are created in the image and likeness of God and God is one just as my spirit soul and body make up one me.

Maybe this scripture will help you out, if your not able to swallow this.

Isa 42:1 Behold my servant (Body/Jesus) whom I uphold, mine elect in whom my soul (Father) delighteth! I will put my Spirit (Holy Spirit) upon him; he shall bring forth judgment to the nations.

God is a triune being but not a three person being.

Jesus is the of embodiment of God. In Jesus dwelles the fullness of God. Jesus has a Spirit, a Soul and a Body. God does not have three Spirits three Souls or Three Bodies but one.

Col 2:9 For in him (Jesus) dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily;

God bless,

[Guest idied2]

1Th 5:23 Now the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly: and your whole spirit, and soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

This scripture was being spoken to men who have a soul. Christ had a soul also made up of the dust of the ground (HIS body) and the SPIRIT of GOD. But in the beginning there was no one who created a body for GOD and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; to make him a living soul.

Ge 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

GOD is SPIRIT.

Joh 4:24

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

HE creates and removes when finished whatever form HE chooses to show himself. A burning bush A whirlwind ect.

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug: :hug:

[Jedi4Yahweh]

This scripture was being spoken to men who have a soul. Christ had a soul also made up of the dust of the ground (HIS body) and the SPIRIT of GOD. But in the beginning there was no one who created a body for GOD and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; to make him a living soul.

Ge 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Hi,

God does have a soul as quoted from the old testement in Isaiah.

Isa 42:1 Behold my servant whom I uphold, mine elect in whom my soul delighteth! I will put my Spirit upon him; he shall bring forth judgment to the nations.

And we all know that God has a body which is Christ.

So God has a Spirit, Soul, and a Body just as we are created in his likeness and image.

God is not three individuals but one.

[other one]

Because the Father is not the "God" in the old testament that Moses saw and talked with. Jesus was "I Am" in the old testament in the image of God. They didn't know the Father.

here are all the scriptures that say that GOD and the FATHER are the same.

Joh 6:27

Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him."

1Co 15:24

Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

Ga 1:1

Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead),

Ga 1:3

Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ,

Eph 5:20

giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Eph 6:23

Peace to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 2:11

and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Col 3:17

And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.

1Th 1:1

Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2Ti 1:2

To Timothy, a beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

Tit 1:4

To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.

1Pe 1:2

elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

2Pe 1:17

For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

2Jo 1:3

Grace, mercy, and peace will be with you from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Jude 1:1

Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug: :hug:

When I read these verses and let them speak to me they are telling me that there are two seperate entities. That the Father and the Son are alike, and the father approves of the Son, but they are not the same thing. Two different but alike in their attributes.

The bible plainly states that all authority was given to the Son at his resurection. If they were the same thing that would not have to be done. It also says that when all has been conquered that the Son will be subject to the Father, as if ne were not subject to Him all along.

Can't be the same if these things had to happen.

Father, Son and Spirit exist but are not equal and not the same thing.

1 Cor 8:4-6

5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. NASB

1 Tim 2:4-7

5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony borne at the proper time. 7 And for this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

NASB

Sam :hug: :hug:

[Guest idied2]

Hi,

God does have a soul as quoted from the old testement in Isaiah.

Isa 42:1 Behold my servant whom I uphold, mine elect in whom my soul delighteth! I will put my Spirit upon him; he shall bring forth judgment to the nations.

And we all know that God has a body which is Christ.

So God has a Spirit, Soul, and a Body just as we are created in his likeness and image.

God is not three individuals but one.

AMEN

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug: :hug: