The Trinity

[other one]

Let's stop there & make sure you agree with this, otherwise there's little point in going on....I'll need to cite more proof of Jesus being God.

So, you do or do not believe that Jesus is God ?

I'll follow up after your answer.

In HIM

Bob

For me to answer that question you will have to define the term "God". There are many different definitions from many different people. I have tried my best in all my posts to explain that it is the God part that I have trouble with. The greek and hebrew words that are use for god God are also used for other things and translated differently, thus leaving us to decifer what the term God means ourselves.

As an example in Judges 16:23 it says in the KJV "Then the lords of the Philistines gathered them together for to offer a great sacrifice unto Dagon their god, and to rejoice: for they said, Our god hath delivered Samson our enemy into our hand.

The word translated god here is strongs 430 "eolhiym"..... this is also the hebrew word you use in Genesis 1 where it says that God created the heavens and the earth. We just can not simply say that the bible says that Jesus is god, and the Father is God so they are the same; unless you are also willing to say that the Father and Dagon are one also. And that is such a bad thought I actually had trouble writing it.

So help me out here and define the word "God" for me so I will know if I can agree with you or not.

Sam

[BobTriez]

For me to answer that question you will have to define the term "God".

So help me out here and define the word "God" for me so I will know if I can agree with you or not.

Define God ? Well, from my limited human perspective, I rely on The Word to tell me, which says that God is the Creator of all (Deu 6:4; Col 1:16), eternally existing in three distinct Persons

[Guest idied2]

Our FATHER in heaven came here in the flesh to be a sacrefice for sin.

He sends his SPIRIT to indwell the believer.

The SON or our FATHER in the flesh is the only person involved.

The father and His SPIRIT that he sends to Indwell the believer are SPIRIT not persons.

The FATHER is one, the other two are messengers but are still the FATHER.

The summery is, They are all the FATHER.

ARE you totaly confussed now? or is this understandable.

BOB is right how do you explain in words?

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug:

[whatsitmean]

Our FATHER in heaven came here in the flesh to be a sacrefice for sin.

Then John 3:16 is erroneous.

God did not so love the world that He GAVE His only begotten Son, He so loved the world that He came Himself. He had nothing to give.

In that case God told Abraham to do something that He was not capable of doing. He expects more from His creatures than does from Himself. He should have told Abraham to go sacrifice yourself. It would have been much easier for Abraham to have done that you can be sure.

He sends his SPIRIT to indwell the believer.

The SON or our FATHER

[Guest idied2]

Then John 3:16 is erronous.

God did not so love the world that He GAVE His only begotten Son, He so loved the world that He came Himself. He had nothing to give.

Everything you have Belongs to GOD beliver or non Believer. Nothing exsist that is not HIS. All that is given, HE gave. I don't understand your reasoning.

It was not my intent to confuse anyone. What I posted as far as I Know does not conflict any other scripture. The Spirit is not confused. These subjects are hard to put into human terms. A Problem that even exsists in the scriptures.

an example

Mr 4:30

Then He said, "To what shall we liken the kingdom of God? Or with what parable shall we picture it?

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug:

[WayneB]

Matthew Chapter 3

16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

Jesus the Son was in the water, the Father was in Heaven and the Spirit decended from Heaven onto Jesus the Son.

Once again, another example of the triune nature of God in Scripture. Yes, one minded (like-minded) BUT not one mind. THREE persons with like minds...the mind of GOD.

OK, enough discussion for me. Like I said, if you can't explain Matthew 3:16-17, Matthew 24:36, John 16:13 and the many other passages of Scripture that testify to the triune nature of the God-head, you cannot make a good case for the "Jesus Only" nature of God. Scipture is clear in that when Jesus walked the earth amoung man, the FATHER was still in Heaven. The throne room was not emptied.

Be Blessed,

Wayne

[Guest LCPGUY]

I voted yes

As for all these analogies, no one, this side of heaven will ever fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. But it is real. They are all 3 equally God, in one.

In His Love,

Bro John

[Guest idied2]

Matthew

3:16

When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He  saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 

3:17

And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." 

The Father was in heaven when this was happening. The SON was in the water. The SPIRIT came down as a Dove. There is only one person mentioned here. CHRIST.

The FATHER in heaven was and is SPIRIT.

The Dove is not a person. But the Spirit that came down is Spirit.

Matthew 24:36

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 

The FATHER in heaven decided to keep this info to himself and not inpart it to himself in the flesh or the angels. I Don't know why. How could I?

John 16:13

However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 

This is John trying to explain in human terms The messenger of the spirit. The Helper that will link you to the FATHER in heaven. Still not a person but a SPIRIT.

And now that CHRIST has asended into heaven HE is Spirit. That only leaves YOU to be HIS body. The only persons left are YOU.

you cannot make a good case for the "Jesus Only" nature of God.

I was thinking more on the lines of the FATHER only nature of GOD and all of The provissions that he has made for us Because he loves us.

Saved by Grace If I am wrong Please don't give up on me. I am searching for the truth and do not mean to come across as a know it all.

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug:

[other one]

For me to answer that question you will have to define the term "God".

So help me out here and define the word "God" for me so I will know if I can agree with you or not.

Define God ? Well, from my limited human perspective, I rely on The Word to tell me, which says that God is the Creator of all (Deu 6:4; Col 1:16), eternally existing in three distinct Persons

[WayneB]

Saved by Grace If I am wrong Please don't give up on me. I am searching for the truth and do not mean to come across as a know it all.

Bless you idied2. Give up on you? Never! Please don't ever give up on me either. OK? We are brethren and there is nothing wrong with searching for the TRUTH as the Spirit of God gives us understanding. It is expected of us.

I have had this discussion with so many people, to include my own family, and many times the confusion lies in the definition of a person; not so much the triune nature of God.

So, what is a person? Charles Stanley writes in his book, "Relying on the Holy Spirit", that the three foremost qualites of personhood are:

KNOWLEDGE... an ability to know, understand and recognize.

WILL... the ability to make choices on the basis of what he/she chooses to do.

EMOTION... an ability to have and express feelings.

A person is NOT restricted to vessels of FLESH. FLESH is not and does not make a person. We do not stop being a person when our flesh dies and returns to dust and our spirit goes to be with the Father in Heaven. Do we?

BOTTOM LINE: The FLESH has nothing to do with personage. Therefore, it is TRUTH that the FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT make up the GOD-HEAD, the great I AM, Creator of all things. Three persons in ONE. What an amazing concept!

A good study on the subject can be found at "Do Christians Believe in Three Gods?" An RBC Discovery Booklet

I hope it helps increase your understanding. I found it very helpful... yet the complete nature of GOD is still a mystery and will continue to be regardless of what we think.

Be Blessed,

Wayne