Alcohol

[pokemaughan]

Ex, are you serious or joking?

He's serious unfortunately

[Guest LadyC]

not sure what difference it makes if he has a rum and coke, or if he has a glass of wine. he didn't say he drank gallons of the stuff, he said he likes to have a glass of it. he didn't say he gets drunk or parties or anything, he says he has a glass to unwind from a the stress of working all week.

[Axxman]

Would you really rather be of the camp that people have to hide from when you come around? Do you think in Jesus time, the sinners said "Oh darn, here he comes, hide the booze and if we talk very little he'll leave quicker"? I don't think so, personally. Not at all. I don't know if I'm wasting time trying to tell you of my experiences, but I do wonder if you will not understand at all.

The pharisees were trying to CONDEMN Christ, so please don't accuse me of such a thing.

Sorry..wasn't trying to make it sound like an accusation. It was more of a description. I think different people reacted to Jesus differently. I say some people probably did hide their sins around Jesus, and that they did try to brush Him off. Jesus was human and he lived the human experience...thats part of it. I certainly don't believe he joined in with them just so they feel better. Your experiences are valid. I may not agree with your justifications, but I won't judge you because I've known you to be a solid and reliable source of knowledge.

I agree. But I'm not sure you ever did answer. Was Jesus drinking wine or just an unfermented grape product? If you had no preconceived prejudices either way and you read this, what would the face value of the story say to you?

My answer is...who knows what Jesus was drinking? The "face value" of the story has nothing to do with wine at all. That doesn't stop people from trying to guess (along with the Pharisees) what was in Jesus' cup whenever He drank. Lets break it down a bit more...since people love to be so specific.

Jesus said about John ... that he came "eating no bread and drinking no wine," -- He specifically says John drank "no wine."

Jesus said about Himself ... "The Son of Man has come eating and drinking." -- No mention of "wine" at all in reference to Himself

If Jesus had wanted it known that, contrary to John the Baptist He was a wine drinker, then He could have repeated the word "wine" for the sake of emphasis and clarity. By refusing to specify what kinds of food or drink He consumed, Christ may well have wished to deprive His critics of any basis for their charge of gluttony and drunkenness. Unfortunately, as He points out in His next words..they still make the baseless accusation. To claim that Jesus must have drunk wine because His critics accused Him of being a "drunkard" means to accept as truth the word of Christ

[Servant54]

Smalcald said........

Hi Servant,

I am not assuming. Jesus specifically said that people criticized John and said he had a demon because he did not drink wine, scripture (Luke 1:15) of course follows suite in this in that it says that John is to not drink wine or any other fermented drink. So we see that wine in this context is considered a fermented drink. I am not assuming, I am simply reading scripture. The wine that John was abstaining from was indeed fermented wine. When Jesus says in Luke:

Answer...always check the Greek...... it is AND not OR....... kai.

I will be back tomorrow have to run.

[stacey c]

Ex, are you serious or joking?

He's serious unfortunately

Sorry poke but that sounds really judgemental.

I perfer CC and 7up myself. It's not what kind of alcohol you drink, it's about intoxication.

[pokemaughan]

Ex, are you serious or joking?

He's serious unfortunately

Sorry poke but that sounds really judgemental.

I perfer CC and 7up myself. It's not what kind of alcohol you drink, it's about intoxication.

I'm sorry.

I just don't see a mature Christian saying things like that. It bugs me. If I'm wrong, tell me. I think I'd gasp if I heard a pastor say something like that. I'd only expect to hear it from a college student.

I apologize for being judgemental, though. It's a sin I seriously struggle with day-to-day. Forgive me?

[Guest LadyC]

why? what makes one alcoholic beverage any better or worse than the next? i mean we've been arguing for how many pages now about whether or not it is a sin to touch alcohol, and most people agree that it is not. now is it gonna turn into a debate of what types of alcohol are sins?

biblically we are to abstain from intoxication.

if it's ok to have a glass of wine, it's ok to have a rum and coke. if mixed properly, the alcohol content of each is the same.

[pokemaughan]

why? what makes one alcoholic beverage any better or worse than the next? i mean we've been arguing for how many pages now about whether or not it is a sin to touch alcohol, and most people agree that it is not. now is it gonna turn into a debate of what types of alcohol are sins?

biblically we are to abstain from intoxication.

if it's ok to have a glass of wine, it's ok to have a rum and coke. if mixed properly, the alcohol content of each is the same.

As far as I know it doesn't take a whole lot of rum to get yourself off to a bad place. It's called hard liquor for a reason.

[stacey c]

Ex, are you serious or joking?

He's serious unfortunately

Sorry poke but that sounds really judgemental.

I perfer CC and 7up myself. It's not what kind of alcohol you drink, it's about intoxication.

I'm sorry.

I just don't see a mature Christian saying things like that. It bugs me. If I'm wrong, tell me. I think I'd gasp if I heard a pastor say something like that. I'd only expect to hear it from a college student.

I apologize for being judgemental, though. It's a sin I seriously struggle with day-to-day. Forgive me?

No problem poke

But reguardless if it takes a whole bottle of wine to get drunk or just two mixed drinks, each of us is responsible for knowing our limits.

And I am being totally serious, I don't know if it's my Irish blood or what, but I can get more tipsy off a couple of glasses of wine than if I drank mixed drinks all night long. But I do know my limits reguardless of what I drink, and not cross the line into intoxication.

[pokemaughan]

No problem poke

But reguardless if it takes a whole bottle of wine to get drunk or just two mixed drinks, each of us is responsible for knowing our limits.

And I am being totally serious, I don't know if it's my Irish blood or what, but I can get more tipsy off a couple of glasses of wine than if I drank mixed drinks all night long. But I do know my limits reguardless of what I drink, and not cross the line into intoxication.

Thank you.

If you'd rather hit your limit in one shot, or reach it after many glasses, that's no business of mine... I guess I'd prefer to enjoy the flavor of wine over dinner or celebration as opposed to a raunchy shot/glass of hard liquor! I don't care how much coke you put in that stuff... still would take the paint of a wall...