Christianity and science

[pokemaughan]

Posting this here because I can't PM Hitchey.

Hitchey,

I just wanted to apologize. It seems I butt heads with you a lot more than I should. I act arrogant and ignorant- two things that I'm very ashamed of.

You see, I'm very young. I aspire to knowledgable and intellectual, which will happen one day or another, God willing. But until I accrue enough knowledge to have a stable base to stand on, anything that is contrary to what I currently understand to be true is, for lack of a better explanation, frightening. There are millions of things I do not understand yet, things I haven't been able to look at through the 'lense' of theism. As such there are millions of things I cannot reason or refute- all of which make me uncomfortable. You see, I hate not having the right answer or having the thought that what I think is true might be wrong to a point.

Hitchey, you're an incredibly smart, surprisingly humble and insightful man. You're intimidating to me! My 'defense' is to blow things off with a cocky remark and hope you don't pursue me.

I apologize for acting that way.

[Guest]

No Debate

Just A Thought

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Matthew 16:26

Or Two

And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Ecclesiastes 12;12-14

Of Love

Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

Psalms 91:14-16

And Of Joy

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24-25

Just A Thought

[Botz]

You go were the evidence leads you. The fossil record has for 150 years been corroborating Darwin's findings. Now, in the last few years, genetics is corroborating the finds revealed by the fossil record. You don't have to know how life originated to investigate how it changed once it arrived. Those are two different fields of study. Even if life originated at the behest of God and was produced by a supernatural event, for which there would not likely be any evidence, we can still track how life changed (evolved) since that time.

There is no evidence. They can't show you beyond a shadow of a doubt that something evolved from one thing into another.

They have no evidence of the transition from one species to the next. They tell you what it was and what it is now, everything in between is missing. Where are the fossil records of that transition?

In fact there is ample evidence of transitional forms. If you think there are none it is because you have been reading the wrong sources. The point of a transitional fossil is that the in between features are present in abundance. The problem I have in discussing this with creationists is that even once shown a transitional fossil they always deny this is what it is. I believe I posted something a few months back concerning transitional hominid fossils. It, I think, makes the existence of transitional fossils pretty difficult to deny. If you are interested I will try and find it.

Man said he was interested in you producing this Hitchey...and so am I...still waiting....thanks.

[MorningGlory]

Man said he was interested in you producing this Hitchey...and so am I...still waiting....thanks.

Me too....I would really love to see it.

[Guest man]

You go were the evidence leads you. The fossil record has for 150 years been corroborating Darwin's findings. Now, in the last few years, genetics is corroborating the finds revealed by the fossil record. You don't have to know how life originated to investigate how it changed once it arrived. Those are two different fields of study. Even if life originated at the behest of God and was produced by a supernatural event, for which there would not likely be any evidence, we can still track how life changed (evolved) since that time.

There is no evidence. They can't show you beyond a shadow of a doubt that something evolved from one thing into another.

They have no evidence of the transition from one species to the next. They tell you what it was and what it is now, everything in between is missing. Where are the fossil records of that transition?

In fact there is ample evidence of transitional forms. If you think there are none it is because you have been reading the wrong sources. The point of a transitional fossil is that the in between features are present in abundance. The problem I have in discussing this with creationists is that even once shown a transitional fossil they always deny this is what it is. I believe I posted something a few months back concerning transitional hominid fossils. It, I think, makes the existence of transitional fossils pretty difficult to deny. If you are interested I will try and find it.

Still waiting.

[Botz]

Still waiting.

Me too....

[Botz]

No worries Hitchey...I am real busy at the moment too....so I know what it is like trying to keep the ball rolling in different threads....take your time, we were just giving you a friendly reminder.

[Guest man]

You go were the evidence leads you. The fossil record has for 150 years been corroborating Darwin's findings. Now, in the last few years, genetics is corroborating the finds revealed by the fossil record. You don't have to know how life originated to investigate how it changed once it arrived. Those are two different fields of study. Even if life originated at the behest of God and was produced by a supernatural event, for which there would not likely be any evidence, we can still track how life changed (evolved) since that time.

There is no evidence. They can't show you beyond a shadow of a doubt that something evolved from one thing into another.

They have no evidence of the transition from one species to the next. They tell you what it was and what it is now, everything in between is missing. Where are the fossil records of that transition?

In fact there is ample evidence of transitional forms. If you think there are none it is because you have been reading the wrong sources. The point of a transitional fossil is that the in between features are present in abundance. The problem I have in discussing this with creationists is that even once shown a transitional fossil they always deny this is what it is. I believe I posted something a few months back concerning transitional hominid fossils. It, I think, makes the existence of transitional fossils pretty difficult to deny. If you are interested I will try and find it.

Still waiting.

And waiting.

[MorningGlory]

And waiting.

I wonder if Hitchey is aware that we are ever so much closer to Medicare than we were when this wait started???

[Guest]

.... I wonder if.... is aware that we are ever so much closer to Medicare than we were when this wait started???