Dishonesty in the scientific community?

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[Hunterpoet]

Hunterpoet, what is the "dishonestly surrounding the " Lucy" finding and presentation" that you are talking about?

The point about the term 'missing link' is that it is a misnomer, based on a misunderstanding of evolution and what a transitional fossil is. Scientists don't really use the term, but journalists frequently do, to the annoyance of many people. The general reporting on this find from the press has been pretty poor to say the least so that is probably the reason for many of the misunderstandings, i.e. people writing about things they themselves don't really understand.

All the discussion about Lucy can be found on the internet.

If I read the articles correctly, and I think I did, it was not just the media using the term " missing Link ", but the people who hold themselves out as scientists in this field.

I love this assumption that folks outside of the " scientific community " are incapable of logical deduction and analytical thought.

Let me tell you a short story about a personal experience. Some years ago it was asked by folks at the Natural History Museum for people to report any eagle sightings. While hunting one day( I have spent many hours hunting and studying the animals of my region) I did spot an eagle and was very excited.

The following Monday I phoned the Natural History Museum, well after telling my story the fellow on the other end of the line asked me to hold, no problem I said, well He forgot to hit the hold button. What an education I received listening to him and his cohorts bash me with words like redneck, stupid, wouldn't know an owl from a buzzard etc etc.

You folks in the scientific community kinda go out make up a discipline based on your own intellect and pretty much demand the rest of us to just bow down and worship your great minds and reject everything else that has been taught to us just because it doesn't fit in to your self made discipline. According to you, we are all just a bunch of idiots, our only worth being menial labor and reproduction.

You want to waste your life digging up bones and speculating on how they got there etc etc, fine, just keep it to yourself, talk to the folks that seek you out and leave the rest of us alone.

[Bowap]

I can find all sort of things on the internet, people who think the earth is flat, or that the Sun orbits it, others that say that the Holocaust never happened, that the moon landings were a hoax, 9/11 was an inside job, there are Bigfoot enthusiasts, AIDS denialists, 'New World Order' groups, UFO 'abductees', on and on I could go. There is an awful lot of nonsense out there, but I am asking you what dishonesty you are accusing the scientific community of with regard to 'Lucy'.

[Hunterpoet]

I can find all sort of things on the internet, people who think the earth is flat, or that the Sun orbits it, others that say that the Holocaust never happened, that the moon landings were a hoax, 9/11 was an inside job, there are Bigfoot enthusiasts, AIDS denialists, 'New World Order' groups, UFO 'abductees', on and on I could go. There is an awful lot of nonsense out there, but I am asking you what dishonesty you are accusing the scientific community of with regard to 'Lucy'.

The newspaper articles are on the internet. Papers from the scientific community. Specifically the jaw bone. If I remember correctly, it is the jaw bone of a chimp. There were other discrepancies found with Lucy's skeleton as well.

[Bowap]

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Lucy's jawbone was nothing like that of a chimp. Tell me where these "papers from the scientific community" are and what they say. You can't simply go around making up claims, accusing the scientific community of dishonesty, and impugning the reputation of scientists unless you have evidence for it, either provide your evidence or retract your claims.

[Believer1997]

Are you angry at something? someone?

[Hunterpoet]

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Lucy's jawbone was nothing like that of a chimp. Tell me where these "papers from the scientific community" are and what they say. You can't simply go around making up claims, accusing the scientific community of dishonesty, and impugning the reputation of scientists unless you have evidence for it, either provide your evidence or retract your claims.

I'm not going to retract anything. I know what I read, and if you have a problem with that, well thats your problem. I didn't seem to have any trouble finding legitimate articles on Lucy and Ida, why are you having such difficulty.

Funny how you zero'd in on Lucy and ignored the article where it states the Ida boys never used the term " missing link" in their paper to the scientific journal.

Sell your wares to someone else.

[Bowap]

With regard to 'Ida', I was just saying that most scientists don't really like the term 'missing link', it is generally used by journalists and reporters. Read my Post #11, that's all I say. I am zeroing in on your claim about Lucy as you are directly accusing respected scientists of misconduct, and I think that if you are going to do so then you should be able to back up what you say, as it is a rather serious accusation. You said "Much is known about the dishonestly surrounding the " Lucy" finding and presentation" in Post #9 and I have asked you several times since to provide your sources for such a claim. All you have said since is "Specifically the jaw bone. If I remember correctly, it is the jaw bone of a chimp." I provided you with a source demonstrating that Lucy's jaw bone was definitely not that of a chimp. You then went on to say "There were other discrepancies found with Lucy's skeleton as well" so I want to know what they are and where you are getting your information from.

[Hunterpoet]

With regard to 'Ida', I was just saying that most scientists don't really like the term 'missing link', it is generally used by journalists and reporters. Read my Post #11, that's all I say. I am zeroing in on your claim about Lucy as you are directly accusing respected scientists of misconduct, and I think that if you are going to do so then you should be able to back up what you say, as it is a rather serious accusation. You said "Much is known about the dishonestly surrounding the " Lucy" finding and presentation" in Post #9 and I have asked you several times since to provide your sources for such a claim. All you have said since is "Specifically the jaw bone. If I remember correctly, it is the jaw bone of a chimp." I provided you with a source demonstrating that Lucy's jaw bone was definitely not that of a chimp. You then went on to say "There were other discrepancies found with Lucy's skeleton as well" so I want to know what they are and where you are getting your information from.

I stated my position, and you can think what you like about me having to prove whatever. If I remember everything correctly that whole Lucy thing lasted quite awhile and all the info concerning that is on the web. So thats my position on Lucy and the end of it. I'am entitled to my opinion ya know and until freedom of speech is revoked, I can print said opinion, speak it, yell it out and use sign language to convey it if I like. Just like your scientist friends.

So most scientists wouldn't use the term missing link, interesting, then why did these scientist use the term when reporting it to the public, but refrain from using it when reporting their findings to their peers.

Personally I don't see the scientific community policing themselves at all. One group says we believe such and such, based on this and that and the other group just says, well we don't agree, but go ahead and convince the public if you can...sorta like artistic licensing.

Look, I think all this dino fossil stuff is interesting, maybe even really cool, but thats all it is , nothing more.

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Gen 1:20 And God said, "Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens."

Gen 1:21 So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."

Gen 1:23 And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.

Gen 1:24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds--livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

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