Dishonesty in the scientific community?

[nebula]

OK . . . but that still doesn't get one from a motor scooter to an SUV.

Why not? Given sufficient time, material, and knowledge, building an SUV out of a motor scooter should be relatively simple, even if the end product no longer bears resemblance to the original structure.

Simple?

How well do you understand engines, chassis, etc.?

[sysvr4]

OK . . . but that still doesn't get one from a motor scooter to an SUV.

Why not? Given sufficient time, material, and knowledge, building an SUV out of a motor scooter should be relatively simple, even if the end product no longer bears resemblance to the original structure.

Simple?

How well do you understand engines, chassis, etc.?

Very well.

[nebula]

The reason we reject the theory of evolution is because it makes as much sense to us as someone taking a motor scooter, and then with a little change here and a little change there, over time, ending up with a large SUV.

If this is an accurate reflection of your reasoning I suggest you study the theory and it's evidence a little more.

Actually, I know a lot about it.

We know that mutations acted upon by natural selection can alter organisms beyond species boundaries,

So the theory goes....

the record of life on earth resembles a progression of accumulated traits consistent with natural selection acting upon such random genetic mutations,

So the theory goes....

and we know of no mechanism that would limit how far these small changes could take an organism given enough time and the right environment.

Sure - can you provide a simple, detailed step-by-step progression of how a population of animals transitioned from cold-blooded to warm-blooded? Please include both anatomical and physiological mutations.

Relating all of this to a simplistic mechanical analogy is hopelessly inaccurate.

Simple?

Changing a motor scooter frame to a 4-wheel chassis is simple? Changing a two or four stroke engine into a 6-cylinder or V8 engine is simple?

[nebula]

OK . . . but that still doesn't get one from a motor scooter to an SUV.

Why not? Given sufficient time, material, and knowledge, building an SUV out of a motor scooter should be relatively simple, even if the end product no longer bears resemblance to the original structure.

Simple?

How well do you understand engines, chassis, etc.?

Very well.

Then please explain the simple progression from one to the other, OK?

[MorningGlory]

No...YOUR reasoning is flawed. Minor adaptations over a long, long period of time can, indeed, change a species into something that is not even remotely like the original ancestor. They CANNOT change one species into another. If you know of any such happening please state it here.

. . .Either you don't know what "species" actually means or you're saying that speciation does not occur.

I assure you I know the meaning of 'species'. I also assure you that no species has ever evolved into a distinct NEW species. At least, if one has, there is no evidence to back it up.

[MorningGlory]

No...YOUR reasoning is flawed. Minor adaptations over a long, long period of time can, indeed, change a species into something that is not even remotely like the original ancestor. They CANNOT change one species into another. If you know of any such happening please state it here.

If a species changes into something that isn't even remotely like the original ancestor... then... it has become a new species.

It's not about resembling the original being; it's about being DESCENDED from that being. From all I've read of biological history, when a species can no longer adapt it goes extinct. It doesn't evolve into another species. The Lord gave all of His creatures the ability to change with the environment (food supply, weather, etc.) Apparently, He also decides when a species has run it's course.

[sysvr4]

OK . . . but that still doesn't get one from a motor scooter to an SUV.

Why not? Given sufficient time, material, and knowledge, building an SUV out of a motor scooter should be relatively simple, even if the end product no longer bears resemblance to the original structure.

Simple?

How well do you understand engines, chassis, etc.?

Very well.

Then please explain the simple progression from one to the other, OK?

Creating false dilemmas won't progress this discussion. Given sufficient material and time, modification of a given array of simple machines is obviously possible. An exhaustive technical description of the process is not necessary to support the concept.

[sysvr4]

OK . . . but that still doesn't get one from a motor scooter to an SUV.

Why not? Given sufficient time, material, and knowledge, building an SUV out of a motor scooter should be relatively simple, even if the end product no longer bears resemblance to the original structure.

Simple?

How well do you understand engines, chassis, etc.?

Very well.

Then please explain the simple progression from one to the other, OK?

Creating false dilemmas won't progress this discussion. Given sufficient material and time, modification of a given array of simple machines is obviously possible. An exhaustive technical description of the process is not necessary to support the concept.

[nebula]

Obviously, this is why we can never reach an agreement.

[sysvr4]

Obviously, this is why we can never reach an agreement.

Is agreement the objective of discussion?