Mental Illness

[abbershay]

I think to many people watch movies like the exorsist and think they know all about demons.

It can be like that but most of the time it isnt, demons or spirits come in many different ways , sickness disease, fear , trama, mental illness. Many times children get demons after being ,molested . Any sickness the is in your family is a generational curse or demon what ever, it needs to be broken off and it shouldnt make anyone less than who they are , just get them free.

The reason so many people are still not free is because , people dont want to believe there are demons, or they want to believe a doctor more than God freeing them.

[Deepblue]

I think to many people watch movies like the exorsist and think they know all about demons.

It can be like that but most of the time it isnt, demons or spirits come in many different ways , sickness disease, fear , trama, mental illness. Many times children get demons after being ,molested . Any sickness the is in your family is a generational curse or demon what ever, it needs to be broken off and it shouldnt make anyone less than who they are , just get them free.

The reason so many people are still not free is because , people dont want to believe they are demons, or they want to believe a doctor more than God freeing them.

Yikes! So an innocent child is molested against their will and they are the ones infested with demons? Whoa. You ever get sick? Ever have fear? If I get a cold or runny nose do I have cold demons? Gee whiz.

[abbershay]

yes it is true i have seen it and i have seen them get delivered. Its real and it happens all the time. You should really study spiritual warfare cuz there is a great need for it.

[Guest TheChief]

chief, seems i have struck a nerve, so to speak, with this!

Only from the standpoint thay you are not speaking from personal knowledge, but "experience" (which is often NOT a very good position!). People who give out false information concerning mental illnesses can do irreparable harm to those who actually do need help, in that they can delay getting definitive treatment while they wait for the "curse" to be lifted.

first of all, i believe that our brains can get chemically out of wack and sometimes we need medication to get it back on track. i do not, however, believe that our brains get out of wack chemically without some help. i've done quite a bit of studying about the brain and the chemicals in it. but NOBODY can say if our thinking gets out of wack and then we get mentally ill, or if we get mentally ill and then our thinking gets out of wack.

I offered up the resources to explore the subject. Up to you to utilize them.

i have no problem believing that generational blessings occur, but i fail to see what that has to do with this topic?

Because, while people who believe as you do are quick to jump on the "generational curse" bandwagon, you are also very slow to grasp "generational blessings" (which, in any event, isn't mention with respect to the Christian, anyway). One of the premier Christian apologist sites on the web, says of generational curses "A popular, though aberrant teaching holds that problems in the life of a Christian - including sickness, poverty, natural disasters, and etcetera - can all be due to a curse spoken many generations ago. Often, believers in this theory are involved in an equally aberrant variety of spiritual warfare, with an unhealthy and unbiblical emphasis on demons. Very prevalent in the Word-Faith movement, as well in today's controversial renewal and revival movements."

In Deuteronomy 28:20, which introduces an extended section detailing the curses, it says: "The Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and rebuke, in all you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and until you perish quickly, on account of the evil of your deeds, because you have forsaken Me." Dozens of times in the following verses of Deuteronomy 28 it says that "The Lord will smite. . ." Clearly Deuteronomy teaches that God's covenant people, Israel, would be the subject of these curses for one reason, "because you have forsaken Me." Clearly it teaches that God himself would bring the subsequent curses.

In Galatians, Paul said that to demand that Gentile converts to Christianity be circumcised was preaching a false gospel and was tantamount to going back into bondage. How then can we teach Christians that maladies and difficulties that may come upon them do so because they have broken one of the laws of a covenant they are no longer under? How could they ever figure out which law was causing the curse? This teaching is clearly unbiblical and cannot result in anything but confusion and bondage. Peter said, "Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?" (Acts 15:10).

The logic behind the blessing and cursing teaching goes like this:

A) Curses are caused by sin.

B) These things are listed in the Bible as curses.

C) Conclusion: If any of these things are happening to you it is because you are cursed because of your sin or that of one of your ancestors, or of some other person thus giving the devil a right to put a curse on you.

The way it plays out in this twisted theology is to assume that sick people are cursed. The reasoning is that because God said that if Israel broke covenant and rejected God, He would bring diseases and physical maladies upon them (Deuteronomy 28:59-60), then every person today who is sick or deformed must have sinned against God or be under a curse from their ancestors. The disciples of Jesus were subject to this kind of thinking: " And His disciples asked Him, saying, Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?' Jesus answered, It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was in order that the works of God might be displayed in him'" (John 9:2,3).

The fact is that the whole human race is cursed because of sin. The curse of sin is death. Freedom from eternal death is found in the substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ. To compare one person to another and to assume that the one who has more sicknesses, weaknesses or is poorer is under a curse because of sin and the better off one is not is wrong. Even the most healthy, wealthy and happy person who lives until a ripe, old age is cursed by sin and will end up in hell if he does not turn to Christ.

no, i am not looking short-term. in fact, i'm looking at the opposite of that. if you come to me with a problem of mental illness, and i teach you to confess your sins, rebuke satan, and think on the things of phil 4:8, it's a long-term goal of abundant life.

No, that's OK, my relationship with the Father is sound. I am not a member of any of the tribes of Israel (whom, if you look, the Law was written for); I am not under the Law, but grace, and I have no "generational curse" hovering over me. Galatians 1:9 reminds us, "As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Further, I am perfectly content to serve God as He sees fit, not as I do. After all, isn't that what surrendering our lives is all about?

the severity brain, liver, or pancreatic cancer does not depend on our thoughts. positive thoughts may help us through it, but they can do nothing about it.

If you know anything of long-term illness, you would know that severe pain over a lengthy period most certainly does affect our thoughts!

however, our thoughts have a direct correlation to mental illness.

Please explain this to me. "Positive confession" or "positive thoughts" will negate the need for psychotropic medication in severe cases? We can think ourselves well? How long have you been a Christian AND mentally ill?

the word "thought" and many of its correlations are actually mentioned more than 620 times in the Bible. why do you suppose this is? could it be because our thoughts are very important to our health--emotionally and physically and spiritually--and so we must needs keep on top of them?

Oh, I would much rather think "happy thoughts" than otherwise. As you mention, we should be concentrating on those things mentioned in Philippians 4:6-9, among others. But this in no way absolves me of fighting a lifetime illnes, save His intercession. It makes it more bearable that I have His promise to look forward to.

so what you're saying is that those who have a mental illness should just "hang on" till Jesus comes? Jesus prepares us for what may come to us on the outside of our body.

Nope, Jesus said "...behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest." (Joh 4:35) and "...the workman is worthy of his meat." He empowers us as needed to accomplish His mission, regardless of what it may be. The Great Commission tells us "GO ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." If He commands, He empowers! Paul said to the Galatians "But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another." We have our marching orders, it is up to us to rise to the call.

He says nothing about us having to deal with problems in our mind. do you think He just neglected to mention this? do you think He didn't know about the medical condition of it?why is it that He gives no no warning and no direction for mental illness? oh but He does talk about it. but the only time it's talked about is when demons are involved. why do you suppose this is?

The Bible doesn't talk about cancer, or diabetes, or scoliosis, or varicose veins, either. Does this mean He didn't encounter them? Probably not, seeing as he was privy to the entire human condition, yet didn't sin. Let's remember John 21:25, "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written."

People whose only tool is a hammer tend to see all problems as nails...

[SamP]

Why not let Gods Holy KJV Bible answer your question...it is extremely clear what Gods Word says and what it means:

(2Tim. 1:7) "For God hath not given us THE SPIRIT OF FEAR; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

It is very plain that God does not destroy our mind, it is satan. God always wants us well and healthy. Otherwise, He would be lying by saying 2Tim. 1:7.

The Bible also plainly says..."THE THIEF cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." (John10:10)

It is always satan the devil that steals, kills, and destroys

It is always God that gives life more abundantly.

You might argue with me but you can not argue with God and His Word.

Again in (James 1:17) "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Once more, here is proof that all good comes from God, leaving all bad coming from satan.

2Tim 1:7 makes it extremely clear that it is a "spirit of fear" that causes mental problems.

One thing I can attest to over many years of pastoring and as a evangelist... I've dealed with hundreds of cases of oppression and depression, including some that were demon possessed. Without exception, they all had one thing in common...Fear, great fear.

The Bible says in (1John 4:18) "There is no fear in love; but PERFECT LOVE casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."

Someone mentioned children.

That's another thing I've observed and learned from years dealing with kids... fear can be passed from parents to their children. I've seen this over and over again. Demon spirits of fear can deal with little kids or elderly folks.

Just will mention these Bible verses in closing... "Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he FALLETH INTO THE FIRE, and oft into the water." (Mt 17:15)

The wonderful news is, Jesus is our Healer - Spirit, Soul, Body. "Beloved, I WISH ABOVE ALL THINGS that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth." (3John1:2)

If you disagree, you'll have to do it with God. He wrote the Bible and inspired it as perfect and without error. (King James Version Bible) The Bible explains itself. Our Lord is wonderful!

[SamP]

Why not let Gods Holy KJV Bible answer your question...it is extremely clear what Gods Word says and what it means:

(2Tim. 1:7) "For God hath not given us THE SPIRIT OF FEAR; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

It is very plain that God does not destroy our mind, it is satan. God always wants us well and healthy. Otherwise, He would be lying by saying 2Tim. 1:7.

The Bible also plainly says..."THE THIEF cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." (John10:10)

It is always satan the devil that steals, kills, and destroys

It is always God that gives life more abundantly.

You might argue with me but you can not argue with God and His Word.

Again in (James 1:17) "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Once more, here is proof that all good comes from God, leaving all bad coming from satan.

2Tim 1:7 makes it extremely clear that it is a "spirit of fear" that causes mental problems.

One thing I can attest to over many years of pastoring and as a evangelist... I've dealed with hundreds of cases of oppression and depression, including some that were demon possessed. Without exception, they all had one thing in common...Fear, great fear.

The Bible says in (1John 4:18) "There is no fear in love; but PERFECT LOVE casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."

Someone mentioned children.

That's another thing I've observed and learned from years dealing with kids... fear can be passed from parents to their children. I've seen this over and over again. Demon spirits of fear can deal with little kids or elderly folks.

Just will mention these Bible verses in closing... "Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he FALLETH INTO THE FIRE, and oft into the water." (Mt 17:15)

The wonderful news is, Jesus is our Healer - Spirit, Soul, Body. "Beloved, I WISH ABOVE ALL THINGS that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth." (3John1:2)

If you disagree, you'll have to do it with God. He wrote the Bible and inspired it as perfect and without error. (King James Version Bible) The Bible explains itself. Our Lord is wonderful!

[ayin jade]

Mental illness is something that Satan can use and exploit to his own end. It's a human weakness, a way forSatan to get his cloven-hoofed foot in the door. I don't think all mental illness is demonic in nature. Nor do I view illness in general as being demonic in nature. That's medieval thinking. In the year 2009 we're WAY past trepanning rituals and the application of leeches. Give science credit where credit is due.

Just so you know, medicine still uses trepanation and leeches.

Trepanation is a treatment used for epidural and subdural hematomas, and for surgical access for certain other neurosurgical procedures, such as intracranial pressure monitoring. Modern surgeons generally use the term craniotomy for this procedure. The removed piece of skull is typically replaced as soon as possible. If the bone is not replaced, then the procedure is considered a craniectomy. Trepanation instruments are now available with diamond coated rims (Diamond Bone Cutting System), which are less traumatic than the classical trephines with sharp teeth. They are smooth to soft tissues and cut only bone.

Nowadays, leeches are routinely used to drain blood from swollen faces, limbs and digits after reconstructive surgery.

They are especially useful when reattaching small parts that contain many blood vessels, like ears, where blood clots can easily form in veins that normally drain blood from tissues. If the clots are severe, the tissues can die -- drowned in the body's own fluid -- because they are deprived of oxygen and other vital nutrients.

Leeches are so effective that the FDA in 2004 classified them as the first live medical devices.

[Deepblue]

Why not let Gods Holy KJV Bible answer your question...it is extremely clear what Gods Word says and what it means:

(2Tim. 1:7) "For God hath not given us THE SPIRIT OF FEAR; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

It is very plain that God does not destroy our mind, it is satan. God always wants us well and healthy. Otherwise, He would be lying by saying 2Tim. 1:7.

The Bible also plainly says..."THE THIEF cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." (John10:10)

It is always satan the devil that steals, kills, and destroys

It is always God that gives life more abundantly.

You might argue with me but you can not argue with God and His Word.

Again in (James 1:17) "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Once more, here is proof that all good comes from God, leaving all bad coming from satan.

2Tim 1:7 makes it extremely clear that it is a "spirit of fear" that causes mental problems.

One thing I can attest to over many years of pastoring and as a evangelist... I've dealed with hundreds of cases of oppression and depression, including some that were demon possessed. Without exception, they all had one thing in common...Fear, great fear.

The Bible says in (1John 4:18) "There is no fear in love; but PERFECT LOVE casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."

Someone mentioned children.

That's another thing I've observed and learned from years dealing with kids... fear can be passed from parents to their children. I've seen this over and over again. Demon spirits of fear can deal with little kids or elderly folks.

Just will mention these Bible verses in closing... "Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he FALLETH INTO THE FIRE, and oft into the water." (Mt 17:15)

The wonderful news is, Jesus is our Healer - Spirit, Soul, Body. "Beloved, I WISH ABOVE ALL THINGS that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth." (3John1:2)

If you disagree, you'll have to do it with God. He wrote the Bible and inspired it as perfect and without error. (King James Version Bible) The Bible explains itself. Our Lord is wonderful!

The verse in Timothy doesn't specifically point out mental illness. Did you see any of Chief's posts and the verses in them?

[SamP]

Yes, I saw and read the post. However, I have spent many years studying Hebrew and Greek concerning the King James Version Bible. I believe Gods Word and from my many hours of study it is proven to me that the scripture in 2Tim.1:7 means exactly what it says.

The KJV Bible is perfect and without error. No other man copyrighted and owned bible can say that.

God says what He means and means what He says. I believe God and His Word above all man made ideas.

And yes, the men who wrote the Bible were inspired by God. Also, the men who King James had do the 1611 Authorized Bible Version were led divinely by Gods leadership. This has been proven to me over and over.

Thanks and God Bless.

[abbershay]

modern medicine does not cure it only makes things tolerable for the most part.