Bold Believer Posted November 30, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I was looking back over this thread and noticed something that Nikki wrote. "Strong on e-Sword translates the word covenant as a confederacy or league, which changes the meaning completely, and has nothing to do with a peace treaty." I find that interesting because Strong's on Blue Letter Bible translates "beriyth" thusly: 1) covenant, alliance, pledge a) between men 1) treaty, alliance, league (man to man) 2) constitution, ordinance (monarch to subjects) 3) agreement, pledge (man to man) 4) alliance (of friendship) 5) alliance (of marriage) b) between God and man 1) alliance (of friendship) 2) covenant (divine ordinance with signs or pledges) It can mean an agreement of ANY kind. In the Daniel case, it referred to the New Covenant in Christ's blood. What other covenant was confirmed during the 70th week? None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kross Posted November 30, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,773 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/27/1957 Share Posted November 30, 2009 There have been many anti Christs already. What does the word Christ mean? It means annointed one. Matthew 24 English standard version 24 for false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders so as to lead many astray if possible even the ellect What Matt. 24 is talking about is people who claim a false annointing or who are false prophets. The only time antichrist is mentioned in scripture it is as a spirit which has always been here, Not a person. All this other stuff is just adding into what the Bible is PLAINLY saying. Perhaps, but it is much easier than writing "The Abomination That Causes Desolation". Since most Christians know that the Anti-christ means this, it is a reasonable use of the term as his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Believer Posted November 30, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted November 30, 2009 "Most Christians" assume that is what the phrase means. Assuming anything is folly. The abomination that makes desolate was the Roman Army which destroyed the temple and burned Jerusalem. See Luke 21:20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 30, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 Blessings Brothers and Sisters, In Jesus Name! While reading through Daniel, I came across this scripture: Daniel 9:27 (King James Version) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. In this scripture, Daniel only speaks of a covenant. There is no mention of peace at all. Searching the meaning of covenant, the closest I can come up with is the word treaty. Treaties are not always peaceful in nature. While this set me back a little, because I had always said one of the signs of the times will be a signing of a peace treaty with Israel, I had to realize that this may not happen. Doing a little research, I came across one site where someone had posted that it was the western Christians who placed the word peace with the treaty from what was said in 1 Thessalonians 5:3 (New King James Version) For when they say, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted November 30, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2009 Grace to you, One thing we can't lose sight of is that satan is a rip off artist. he's never had an orginal thought, he simply rips off God and imitates Him. he wants God's Glory. he hopes to keep a deceived world clueless. Why not set up a covenant of supposed Peace and fool everyone into remaining blind to God's will? The Lord has told us what He, God, will do and revelead what He, God, has done. satan hopes to imitate these very things. The very premise of an anti-christ is that he is the opposite of every thing God has revealed about the Christ. Deception is his game and he hopes to steal the Glory from God. Why wouldn't he create a false peace and a false temple of world peace based upon man and not God? It's the best way to keep you from knowing God by imitating God and giving the world the easy way out. Just because there has been like shadows of this anti-christ and his spirit doesn't mean he has fully manifested himself. Peace, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 30, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 ... Yes, Satan does copy everything of God, the best he can, to cause one to believe what they truly have is of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kross Posted December 1, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,773 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/27/1957 Share Posted December 1, 2009 "Most Christians" assume that is what the phrase means. Assuming anything is folly. The abomination that makes desolate was the Roman Army which destroyed the temple and burned Jerusalem. See Luke 21:20. So you have said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kross Posted December 1, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,773 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/27/1957 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Blessings Brothers and Sisters, In Jesus Name! While reading through Daniel, I came across this scripture: Daniel 9:27 (King James Version) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. In this scripture, Daniel only speaks of a covenant. There is no mention of peace at all. Searching the meaning of covenant, the closest I can come up with is the word treaty. Treaties are not always peaceful in nature. While this set me back a little, because I had always said one of the signs of the times will be a signing of a peace treaty with Israel, I had to realize that this may not happen. Doing a little research, I came across one site where someone had posted that it was the western Christians who placed the word peace with the treaty from what was said in 1 Thessalonians 5:3 (New King James Version) For when they say, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen1 Posted December 3, 2009 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 24 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/30/1963 Share Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) The Covenant Confirmed The covenant confirmed in Daniel 9 has to be the covenant of the 70 weeks of years decreed for Israel in the context of the chapter .... there is no other covenant described: [note: see article entitled 70 x 7s] .... and there is no indication that this covenant is some sort of peace treaty between Israel and the nation's enemies. Only the Lord can confirm this covenant by executing the coming 70th week .... thereby reaching the 6 objectives for the believing remnant of Israel who will turn to Him during His hour [time] of trial. [Daniel 9:1-27] Visionary prophecy must be read carefully and in this case one needs to see that there are two princes involved .... the Lord .... and the other prince .... satan's beast of Revelation 13:1 and 17:8. It is the Lord who was "cut off" at the end of the 69th week .... it is the other prince and His followers who will come and desecrate at the middle of the 70th week decreed. [Daniel 9:26] The vision then repeats this same contrast between the two princes. Daniel 9:27 And he [the Lord] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: [note the : divider in the KJV] .... and in the midst of the week he [the other prince] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. The Lord ["He"] will confirm the covenant .... the other prince cannot do this and would not because of the 6 objectives that will be met for Daniel's people, the believing remnant part of national Israel. [Daniel 9:24; Romans 11] Then the other prince ["he"] will cause the sacrifice oblation to cease. [israelite worship at the base of the western wall of the temple mount ... the most holy place for Israel today] [Jeremiah 30:5-7; Daniel 8:9-12; Zechariah 14:1-5; Matthew 24:15-16] This other prince is the little horn of Daniel 11:36-45 and 12:7. This king of the north and his followers will invade, occupy and rule over Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount for 42 months before the Lord will pour out His wrath upon the desolaters. [Jeremiah 30:1-7; Ezekiel 38:11-16; Daniel 11:41; Micah 5:5; Zechariah 14:1-5; Revelation 11:2; 12:3-17; 13:5] None of the events of the time frame of the 70th week of 2,520 days has transpired yet and is still pending at this time. [Romans 11:25-26] In fact, there is a breach in the time lapse that can be found in all of the prophetic visions related to the time of the end of this present age. Events on the earth between the end of the 69th week [about 33 A.D.] and the beginning of the 70th [still future] are not recorded in the scope of visionary prophecy ... many significant things have come and gone over the last 2,000 years and they are simply not there. For example: Daniel's visions track the geopolitical phases of the Middle East through the end of the rule of Antiochus IV [11:21-35] .... and then the rest of the unfulfilled portion jumps directly to the time of the end. [Daniel 11:36-45; 12:1-12] Edited December 3, 2009 by Stephen1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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