Separation of Church and State

[James M]

In search of the truth, nothing else!

Truth comes in many forms, Brother. Are you looking for scripture only or are you willing to accept the truth that is outside of scripture?

God's truth is the best, Mans truth often misleads.

I agree, but looking at your posts, you are not just looking for scripture, but mans ideas about the separation of church and state, so this question need not be answered.

Maybe this would answer my question and I must thank you for your sincere hopes that I would look to God's infallable word as the only answer. The words have changed within the 3- 4 millinium that they were originally stated and I perfer God's wording over man's. It is the same Priest/ King or Church/ State, the later being Humanistic. There was a seperation in the word of God, until Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (Yeshua) came, and He being Our Priest/ King, with the only othe example being Abraham's Melckizedek.

We sometimes look in all places to find the answer that the Holy Spirit will show us it the word from God we need to serve the purpose given. Please never forget some of us here are still feeding on milk, and/ or moving on to the meat of the word and still need to grow in the Spirit, some are lost still and trying to find God. Lets not drive the Sheep away by leading them to a cleft and pushing them off, some need help and ask other will not ask, which is worst?

With Love (GOD)

Your Brother(in Christ)

James M

Now this Melchizedek, king of Salem and priest of the Most High God, met Abraham when he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him. 2Abraham apportioned a tenth of everything to him. He is first

[James M]

Maybe this would answer my question and I must thank you for your sincere hopes that I would look to God's infallable word as the only answer. The words have changed within the 3- 4 millinium that they were originally stated and I perfer God's wording over man's.

Can you explain what you mean here? Are you implying that the word of God is not the word of God?

Personally, I think you are looking way to hard trying to understand what is very simple. The US, not wanting to fall into the trap of a Government Religion, made it possible for us to worship as we see fit. They did not want the government to tell them how to believe or what church to go to. It really is that simple.

Now, today, this meaning has been twisted into a stance that was not the true meaning of the 1st Amendment of the Constitution. Today, those who do nto have a belief in any god, has tried to use this stance of freedom to remove such a freedom.

Can you explain what you mean here? Are you implying that the word of God is not the word of God?

That Jesus is King( state) and preist (church) goes against Your belief?

Personally, I think you are looking way to hard trying to understand what is very simple.

If it is so simple Help a blind man see!

The US, not wanting to fall into the trap of a Government Religion, made it possible for us to worship as we see fit

We worshipped as we saw fit before the USA was born, and who said that the Government and Church should JOIN together?

If in ancient Israel God made laws to keep His Choosen People from Joining Church and State , and smote King Uzziah with lepersy when the line was crossed, that is enough for me!!!!!!!! Church should not rule the Government and Government Should Not rule the Church.

Personally, I think you are looking way to hard trying to understand what is very simple. The US, not wanting to fall into the trap of a Government Religion, made it possible for us to worship as we see fit. They did not want the government to tell them how to believe or what church to go to. It really is that simple.

Now, today, this meaning has been twisted into a stance that was not the true meaning of the 1st Amendment of the Constitution. Today, those who do nto have a belief in any god, has tried to use this stance of freedom to remove such a freedom.

THis is far removed from what is today! Biblical NOT!

I was seeking BIBLICAL examples Of CHURCH ( PRIEST) and STATE( gOVERNMENT) being seperate in function. Today, has no bearing on what God has said then. You have opened my eyes to Christian censorship and not God.

[OneLight]

Since you have chosen to take this issue you seem to have with me to PM, I will answer you post there.

[James M]

Since you have chosen to take this issue you seem to have with me to PM, I will answer you post there.

EDIFING!

[OneLight]

Since you have chosen to take this issue you seem to have with me to PM, I will answer you post there.

EDIFING!

I do not like to discuss issues in public that others feel is private. That alone is edifying. Btw ... all caps is considered yelling at someone.

[Massorite]

Yes, it is very important for America to have the seperation of church and state. If we do not, then we eliminate FAITH. When our government is a theocrasy, it tells us which religion is right. Not only that, but what denomination should our government be? Methodists, Baptists, Lutheran... etc. Anyone who was not already a member of which ever denomination we choose, would be unhappy. Plus, what if our government decides to be Jewish, Islamic, or Budists? America may have been founded on Judo-Christian values, but America is a place of freedom of religion. God gave us FREE WILL, the right to choose our religion, the right to find the correct one. If public schools force kids to pray before class, I would be upset. If that had happened to me, I would intentionally not pray, because I was being forced to. God will be on the side of our govenrment no matter what, I am certain of this. Even if an athiest president were to lead us, (And there is a lot of evidence that some presidents in the past were secretly athiests), God would be on our side. Church and State should NEVER be unseperated. When you do that, you end up with a place like Iran.

these two sentences in bold caught my eye. for the first one, i'm rather confused. given the opportunity to praise and worship and talk to your God.... out of spite, you wouldn't take that opportunity because of the reason the opportunity existed in the first place?? where is that rebellion coming from?

as for the second, i'm a little confused on that one, too. what do you mean? are you saying God will bless our government.... no matter what? are you saying that, according to God, the government is always "right"? or are you saying God will not let this government fall? if it's any of these, i would disagree. but as far as Church and state being separate, i agree with you.

James: i cannot give you specific verses, but i do know the Levites were separate from the rest of the tribes. they didn't hold land, and i'm not sure what kind of voice they had in what happened. there seemed to be different rules and duties regarding the Levites than there were for the other tribes. is that what you're looking for?

We are looking for just that, which is written in the Bible, concerning Kings and Preist/ prophets. When these two switch roles what example is given in the scriptures, and what are the results of these actions? These are the verses I would be looking for as bible study on Church and State ( being the same as Preist and Country/ King). This would aid in a biblical understanding of where America is heading in Gods eyes, and I would be very grateful for some aid in finding such examples.

I know by reading " The LOST Ten Tribes of Israel ,... Found" by Steven M. Collins that when any individual, family, group, govenment or nation turns away from God that thier fall is immenent, and can't help wondering if its too late for America, and the rest of the FREE world?

P.S. Wasn't there an Israelite King smote by God for trying to perform the High Priest duty somewhere in the Old Testament?

No it was the sons of Moses. Or was it Aaron.

[James M]

Since you have chosen to take this issue you seem to have with me to PM, I will answer you post there.

EDIFING!

I do not like to discuss issues in public that others feel is private. That alone is edifying. Btw ... all caps is considered yelling at someone.

Sorry my cap lock was on , and I'll apologize for that and anything else that I may have done wrong. I am only here to learn and I must actually read the Bible and a few books that I have, such as Free Indeed and The Blessed Life. I will return on a 2 day basis and surf the site awhile.

Thank you everyone for helping me to find the truth and I hope to share that with you again in the future , If not "Caught Up" And I believe we would share it there also.

Till then

May God's peace be with you all

James M

[James M]

Yes, it is very important for America to have the seperation of church and state. If we do not, then we eliminate FAITH. When our government is a theocrasy, it tells us which religion is right. Not only that, but what denomination should our government be? Methodists, Baptists, Lutheran... etc. Anyone who was not already a member of which ever denomination we choose, would be unhappy. Plus, what if our government decides to be Jewish, Islamic, or Budists? America may have been founded on Judo-Christian values, but America is a place of freedom of religion. God gave us FREE WILL, the right to choose our religion, the right to find the correct one. If public schools force kids to pray before class, I would be upset. If that had happened to me, I would intentionally not pray, because I was being forced to. God will be on the side of our govenrment no matter what, I am certain of this. Even if an athiest president were to lead us, (And there is a lot of evidence that some presidents in the past were secretly athiests), God would be on our side. Church and State should NEVER be unseperated. When you do that, you end up with a place like Iran.

these two sentences in bold caught my eye. for the first one, i'm rather confused. given the opportunity to praise and worship and talk to your God.... out of spite, you wouldn't take that opportunity because of the reason the opportunity existed in the first place?? where is that rebellion coming from?

as for the second, i'm a little confused on that one, too. what do you mean? are you saying God will bless our government.... no matter what? are you saying that, according to God, the government is always "right"? or are you saying God will not let this government fall? if it's any of these, i would disagree. but as far as Church and state being separate, i agree with you.

James: i cannot give you specific verses, but i do know the Levites were separate from the rest of the tribes. they didn't hold land, and i'm not sure what kind of voice they had in what happened. there seemed to be different rules and duties regarding the Levites than there were for the other tribes. is that what you're looking for?

We are looking for just that, which is written in the Bible, concerning Kings and Preist/ prophets. When these two switch roles what example is given in the scriptures, and what are the results of these actions? These are the verses I would be looking for as bible study on Church and State ( being the same as Preist and Country/ King). This would aid in a biblical understanding of where America is heading in Gods eyes, and I would be very grateful for some aid in finding such examples.

I know by reading " The LOST Ten Tribes of Israel ,... Found" by Steven M. Collins that when any individual, family, group, govenment or nation turns away from God that thier fall is immenent, and can't help wondering if its too late for America, and the rest of the FREE world?

P.S. Wasn't there an Israelite King smote by God for trying to perform the High Priest duty somewhere in the Old Testament?

No it was the sons of Moses. Or was it Aaron.

I am most assured that the priesthood was in Aaron. The Levites are interesting,

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James M