The day time began

[Guest shiloh357]

I had already started a thread about this theory, however it was promptly overrun by bickering. Hopefully it can survive and be of use here:

The omniverse may be expressed as a multi-dimensional array, infinite in scope and density. Within the array patterns observed would necessarily be unpredictable, non-indicative anomalies of the scope of the array and therefore insignificant.

To answer your question, a quantifiable beginning of time would appear impossible to know.

Well....yeah....no one was THERE except God.

There ya go!!

[sysvr4]

I had already started a thread about this theory, however it was promptly overrun by bickering. Hopefully it can survive and be of use here:

The omniverse may be expressed as a multi-dimensional array, infinite in scope and density. Within the array patterns observed would necessarily be unpredictable, non-indicative anomalies of the scope of the array and therefore insignificant.

To answer your question, a quantifiable beginning of time would appear impossible to know.

Well....yeah....no one was THERE except God.

No one was where?

[Guest]

.... No one was where? ....

Where

And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:

And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

1 Kings 19:11-12

Is God Calling From

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Isaiah 1:18

Can You Hear Him

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:35-36

Yet

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Love, Joe

I may speak in the languages of humans and of angels. But if I don't have love, I am a loud gong or a clashing cymbal.

I may have the gift to speak what God has revealed, and I may understand all mysteries and have all knowledge. I may even have enough faith to move mountains. But if I don't have love, I am nothing.

I may even give away all that I have and give up my body to be burned. But if I don't have love, none of these things will help me.

Love is patient. Love is kind. Love isn't jealous. It doesn't sing its own praises. It isn't arrogant.

It isn't rude. It doesn't think about itself. It isn't irritable. It doesn't keep track of wrongs.

It isn't happy when injustice is done, but it is happy with the truth.

Love never stops being patient, never stops believing, never stops hoping, never gives up.

Love never comes to an end. There is the gift of speaking what God has revealed, but it will no longer be used. There is the gift of speaking in other languages, but it will stop by itself. There is the gift of knowledge, but it will no longer be used.

Our knowledge is incomplete and our ability to speak what God has revealed is incomplete.

But when what is complete comes, then what is incomplete will no longer be used.

When I was a child, I spoke like a child, thought like a child, and reasoned like a child. When I became an adult, I no longer used childish ways.

Now we see a blurred image in a mirror. Then we will see very clearly. Now my knowledge is incomplete. Then I will have complete knowledge as God has complete knowledge of me.

So these three things remain: faith, hope, and love. But the best one of these is love.

1 Corinthians 13 (GOD'S WORD

[lekh l'kha]

I was doing some research. Actually, I was trying to find the name of the Jewish Hebrew-Uni Prof, who developed a thesis which seeks to prove that since time-space is stretched/warped in an ever-expanding universe (and I'm putting into my own words what he said), the earth and the universe can be both old and young at the same time, since the universe is roughly 3.5 billion years old only according to our position in stretched/warped time-space (which is relative, since universal time-space is stretched/warped), and what may be 3.5 billion years in stretched/warped time-space may in reality be only around 10,000 years.

This reminds of the theory of "time dilation" that was forwarded by Dr. Gerald Schroeder who is a scientist out of Israel. He believes that the long history of the earth can be reconciled with the six days of creation by this theory. To put it simply he believes that the earth is roughly 15 billion years old from man's perspective, but only six days long from God's perspective. Not sure I really go along with that. I only mention it because what you posted reminds of it.

Thanks, Shiloh. It might be the person I was thinking about, but I could only explain what I understood him to be saying, or at least the basics of it - if I even understood what he was saying

[lekh l'kha]

He gives the analogy of a baloon being blown up all of a sudden.

Job 33:4 The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

Amen, fez. Spirit = Breath It was the Breath of God that "blew the balloon of the universe up"

[lekh l'kha]

I had already started a thread about this theory, however it was promptly overrun by bickering. Hopefully it can survive and be of use here:

The omniverse may be expressed as a multi-dimensional array, infinite in scope and density. Within the array patterns observed would necessarily be unpredictable, non-indicative anomalies of the scope of the array and therefore insignificant.

To answer your question, a quantifiable beginning of time would appear impossible to know.

Theory based upon theory based upon theory based upon theory....

Not even science believes it, as can be seen from what the scientists say about the beginning of time, space and matter.

I could come up with a theory about anything - what point is there in musing about it though?

Will it lead you to God?

Will it lead you to a knowledge of the truth?

[sysvr4]

I had already started a thread about this theory, however it was promptly overrun by bickering. Hopefully it can survive and be of use here:

The omniverse may be expressed as a multi-dimensional array, infinite in scope and density. Within the array patterns observed would necessarily be unpredictable, non-indicative anomalies of the scope of the array and therefore insignificant.

To answer your question, a quantifiable beginning of time would appear impossible to know.

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Theory based upon theory based upon theory based upon theory....

My theory is based on independent thought; personal logic. It doesn't depend on any other theory.

Not even science believes it, as can be seen from what the scientists say about the beginning of time, space and matter.

Science isn't some sort of global collective in which everyone agrees upon the basis of time, space, matter, or anything else.

I could come up with a theory about anything - what point is there in musing about it though?

Does thinking require an aim?

Will it lead you to God?

What leads you to believe that it wouldn't?

Will it lead you to a knowledge of the truth?

Objective truth? Religious truth? Personal truth? Relativist truth?

[MorningGlory]

He gives the analogy of a baloon being blown up all of a sudden.

Job 33:4 The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

Interesting......very interesting.

[lekh l'kha]

Objective truth? Religious truth? Personal truth? Relativist truth?

Truth is always objective. It is not religious, personal or relativist. Just as the earth was always round, even though a few hundred years back millions believed it was flat, what we believe or don't believe doesn't change anything (and there are still some who believe the earth is flat).

One could say, "O.K, you believe the earth is flat. That's your truth. I believe the earth is round. That's my truth. If your truth works for you, cool. But this is my truth, and it works for me."

That reasoning might sound tolerant, but it's not logical.

Truth is not relativist.

Jesus said that if we have enough faith, we could move mountains.

Did He mean that if I firmly believe Jupiter is the third rock from the sun it'll move there and earth will be bumped out of it's place?

No. That's not what He meant.

No matter what anyone believes or doesn't believe, it has no effect on the truth.

Truth is not dependent on what anyone believes or doesn't believe. Truth is always objective.

There is no such thing as personal truth, relative truth or even religious truth, because no matter what religion teaches about God, He is what and who He is, and nothing can change it.

Is that my truth?

No. It's God's truth.

If you've never met your father, you will never know him until you meet him and get to know him for who and what he is.

It's the same with truth. And it's the same with God, because God = truth.

And truth is truth, whether we believe it or not. It's not relative, subjective or religious.

But it is knowable.

[sysvr4]

Objective truth? Religious truth? Personal truth? Relativist truth?

Truth is always objective. It is not religious, personal or relativist. Just as the earth was always round, even though a few hundred years back millions believed it was flat, what we believe or don't believe doesn't change anything (and there are still some who believe the earth is flat).

One could say, "O.K, you believe the earth is flat. That's your truth. I believe the earth is round. That's my truth. If your truth works for you, cool. But this is my truth, and it works for me."

That reasoning might sound tolerant, but it's not logical.

Truth is not relativist.

Jesus said that if we have enough faith, we could move mountains.

Did He mean that if I firmly believe Jupiter is the third rock from the sun it'll move there and earth will be bumped out of it's place?

No. That's not what He meant.

No matter what anyone believes or doesn't believe, it has no effect on the truth.

Truth is not dependent on what anyone believes or doesn't believe. Truth is always objective.

There is no such thing as personal truth, relative truth or even religious truth, because no matter what religion teaches about God, He is what and who He is, and nothing can change it.

Is that my truth?

No. It's God's truth.

If you've never met your father, you will never know him until you meet him and get to know him for who and what he is.

It's the same with truth. And it's the same with God, because God = truth.

And truth is truth, whether we believe it or not. It's not relative, subjective or religious.

But it is knowable.

You've presented your position (at length), however I don't see your reasoning.