WHO is "Israel"..??

[traveller]

Was Israel made solely of Jacob's decendants when they came out of Egypt, or was it made up of everyone who came out with them?

there was a mixed multitude who joined them back then and they were included in Israel; "adopted" if you will.

But does the Word express that, or are they just called Israel along with the decendants?

Exd 12:36 And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them [such things as they required]. And they spoiled the Egyptians.

Exd 12:37

[traveller]

Was Israel made solely of Jacob's decendants when they came out of Egypt, or was it made up of everyone who came out with them?

there was a mixed multitude who joined them back then and they were included in Israel; "adopted" if you will.

But does the Word express that, or are they just called Israel along with the decendants?

Exd 12:36 And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them [such things as they required]. And they spoiled the Egyptians.

Exd 12:37

[Arthur Durnan]

Israel as mentioned in the Old Testament is the literal nation of Israel today at the eastern end of the Great Sea, the Mediterranean Sea. They constitute the literal offspring of Abraham which lineage gave birth to the Son of God Himself, Jesus of Bethlehem & Heaven. There were twelve literal tribes identified as God's earthly people to whom the Ten Commandments of Exodus 20 were specifically given. In the New Testament, Romans 9 is Israel Past; Romans 10 is Israel PRESENT; and Romans 11 is Israel FUTURE. All praise to her Messiah-Savior, Jesus the Righteous One!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

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[Guest shiloh357]

Was Israel made solely of Jacob's decendants when they came out of Egypt, or was it made up of everyone who came out with them?

there was a mixed multitude who joined them back then and they were included in Israel; "adopted" if you will.

But does the Word express that, or are they just called Israel along with the decendants?

Exd 12:36 And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them [such things as they required]. And they spoiled the Egyptians.

Exd 12:37

[nebula]

Now another question. Why is there not a seperation here?

Like Rahab and Ruth and they joined into the Covenant.

A mix multitude made up Israel so what does that actually mean concerning us today?

I don't see it meaning anything.

When the Gospel spread to the Gentiles, many Jews demanded that the Gentile believers be converted...to follow the Law of Moses. The Apostles decreed this was not necessary for salvation. The Gentiles were to remain Gentiles. Jews were to remain Jews (they never decreed Jews cease from following Torah).

As Paul mentioned, there are natural olive branches and there are wild ones. Israel are the natural branches, Gentiles are the wild. Yes we are one in Messiah, but the natural are still natural and the wild are still wild.

[traveller]

Shiloh, the Targum of Jonathan says

And the sons of Israel moved forth from Pilusin towards Succoth, a hundred and thirty thousand, protected there by seven clouds of glory on their four sides: one above them, that neither hail nor rain might fall upon them, nor that they should be burned by the heat of the sun; one beneath them, that they might not be hurt by thorns, serpents, or scorpions; and one went before them, to make the valleys even, and the mountains low, and to prepare them a place of habitation. And they were about six hundred thousand men, journeying on foot, none riding on horses except the children five to every man; and a multitude of strangers, [JERUSALEM. A mixed multitude,] two hundred and forty myriads, went up with them, and sheep, and oxen, and cattle, very many.

How many is two hundred and forty myriads?

[mizzdy]

I have always understood that by the time the forty years were done that mixed multitude was all Israel, they had all been divided into the tribes. One of the spies sent forth, his father was part of the mixed multitude and he was counted as an Israelite.

[Guest yod]

Now another question. Why is there not a seperation here? A mix multitude made up Israel so what does that actually mean concerning us today?

the Torah gave everyone equal rights and protection, yet those who didn't choose to become part of Israel (which is what the people were called long before they had the land) then they were called "sojourners among you" but as someone previously mentioned they could also be joined to Israel if they wanted.

Caleb was THE prince to represent Judah among the 12 chosen to go up and spy the land. He was the son of a Kennizite which was one of the peoples God wanted driven out of Canaan.

He and Joshua were the only ones from the people who left Eygypt to see the Promised Land because he and Joshua gave the good report. For this, Caleb was given the choicest land in Israel, Hebron, land of the Patriarchs.

What did this gentile convert do with land? He gave it to the Levites.

This is the best picture of how we, goyim/gentiles, should respond to our place among His chosen people. We are servants of the Lord most High. We should support His plan of redemption and that means we also have His burden for the sons of Jacob.

[traveller]

Now another question. Why is there not a seperation here? A mix multitude made up Israel so what does that actually mean concerning us today?

the Torah gave everyone equal rights and protection, yet those who didn't choose to become part of Israel (which is what the people were called long before they had the land) then they were called "sojourners among you" but as someone previously mentioned they could also be joined to Israel if they wanted.

Caleb was THE prince to represent Judah among the 12 chosen to go up and spy the land. He was the son of a Kennizite which was one of the peoples God wanted driven out of Canaan.

He and Joshua were the only ones from the people who left Eygypt to see the Promised Land because he and Joshua gave the good report. For this, Caleb was given the choicest land in Israel, Hebron, land of the Patriarchs.

What did this gentile convert do with land? He gave it to the Levites.

This is the best picture of how we, goyim/gentiles, should respond to our place among His chosen people. We are servants of the Lord most High. We should support His plan of redemption and that means we also have His burden for the sons of Jacob.

Well said brother!

[Guest yod]

Servants don't seek "position" or "rights".

They simply serve the Master. What He says, goes. That is all that matters.

The Father has been calling Israel to Himself since long before they left Eygypt. For most of their history "rebellion" describes their condition yet He still has an outstreched hand.

If we really love our Master, we will have this same burden...to please Him.