God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not Allah

[Abusa]

Abusa--

As I have pointed out the Qur'an in a number of verses says the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. Now let's consider the import of that.

If the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God then neither is the Qur'an because it makes a false statement regarding the Bible.

If the Bible is the inerrant Word of God and the Qur'an contradicts what the Bible says then the Qur'an is not inerrant.

Either way the Qur'an loses.

This has to be the starting point for anyone witnessing to a Muslim.

Thank you very much, I hear you. You speak wisdom.

[Abusa]

To All

I have been asked on more than one occasion if I am a Christian. I am very uncomfortable calling myself a Christian because many call themselves Christians yet.......... From the time that Father captured me, I have believed that I am a seed of Abraham and not a Christian. Before you discredit me read: Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

It is another topic which hmm from my experience on this forum eh. I am not a Christian and I do not want to be called such.

I believe IN and believe God the Father Jehovah who is God above all Gods and gods.

Above him there is no God or god.

He was not born

He was not spoken to existence

Has no known beginning

He has never died

Has ALL power

I believe in God the son who is the very word of God the Father

He became flesh and was born as a child to Mary yet the son of God (He was a son even before he was born to Mary, that is why we are told in Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given)

He died and rose

He is the way the truth and life.

His name is Jesus.

In brief this is what I stand for.

Some one said that i was defending Islam and that I did it so well. I do not defend Islam and I do not defend Christianity, and about the word of God, I am not able to defend the word of God for he is able (at least the God I worship is able) but I do not accept that any one adds their feelings to his word. That is why I always demand give me where it is written.

[Guest]

.... I believe IN and believe God the Father Jehovah who is God above all Gods and gods.

Above him there is no God or god.

He was not born

He was not spoken to existence

Has no known beginning

He has never died

Has ALL power....

.... I am not a Christian and I do not want to be called such....

The Christ

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Philippians 2:5-6

Did This For You

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Philippians 2:7-8

And For Me

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Philippians 2:9

And You

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Philippians 2:10

Are Ashamed?

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Philippians 2:11

To Be Called By His Name?

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

Revelation 22:3-4

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Please Consider Sir

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

James 2:23

Are You Even A Friend Of God?

Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

John 15:15

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Your Servant In Messiah, Joe

Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Mark 8:38

But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1 John 2:20-23

[MorningGlory]

It is another topic which hmm from my experience on this forum eh. I am not a Christian and I do not want to be called such.

Oh well...at least you're honest.

[Abusa]

Beccar777,

You write:In this is that confusion I see in your posts. Like it or not, to believe in what you stated above, is part of the definition of a Christian.

My answer: You meet a two men, one is called John another Joe. Joe introduces John as his Pastor and you say

[Rick-Parker]

This produces a logical dilemma, which can only be resolved by the conclusion that the Qur\'an is not entirely the Word of God.

How does it feel out there in left field, standing out there all by yourself? And not just in this thread, either.

I'm pretty used to it after 20 years or so. But I am not totally alone. God's with me.

So you have been making these same arguments for 20 years and no one has agreed with you? Imagine that. Could it be that what you are preaching is not biblical?

[nebula]

My answer: You meet a two men, one is called John another Joe. Joe introduces John as his Pastor and you say

[Guest]

Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

I am that bread of life.

John 6:46-48

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 6:51

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.... Just know that as long as you are in Christ you are a seed of Abraham just like Jesus is ....

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Revelation 22:16

Now Dear One There You Go Again

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1 John 2:22-23

Preaching Another Christ

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 10:32-33

Jesus Is Forever God

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Matthew 11:27

And Before Abraham

And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Genesis 17:1

The Great I AM

Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 8:58

The Redeemer

For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Isaiah 54:5

The Holy One Of Israel

Why do the nations gather together? Why do their people devise useless plots?

Kings take their stands. Rulers make plans together against the LORD and against his Messiah by saying,

"Let's break apart their chains and shake off their ropes."

The one enthroned in heaven laughs. The Lord makes fun of them.

Then he speaks to them in his anger. In his burning anger he terrifies them by saying,

"I have installed my own king on Zion, my holy mountain."

I will announce the LORD's decree. He said to me: "You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.

Ask me, and I will give you the nations as your inheritance and the ends of the earth as your own possession.

You will break them with an iron scepter. You will smash them to pieces like pottery."

Now, you kings, act wisely. Be warned, you rulers of the earth!

Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

Kiss the Son, or he will become angry and you will die on your way because his anger will burst into flames.

Blessed is everyone who takes refuge in him.

Psalms 2 (God's Word Translation)

[nebula]

I have been asked on more than one occasion if I am a Christian. I am very uncomfortable calling myself a Christian because many call themselves Christians yet.......... From the time that Father captured me, I have believed that I am a seed of Abraham and not a Christian. Before you discredit me read: Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Would you consider yourself belonging to the Body of Messiah Yeshua?

[Abusa]

Well I can see how you might think I put words to your words but I did not. I asked you more than a few questions regarding why you are uncomfortable being called a Christian. Yet curiously you didn't answer all of them.

I am not uncomfortable just that because everyone calls themselves such then i must, no, i have chosen what to me I believe is what God has revealed in his scriptures from when he spoke to my Father Abraham. The Father of faith. Have you not wondered how come Jesus kept talking of the Father Abraham having a table in Heaven? You must understand what it means to be a seed of Abraham, anyone can be a Christian but not everyone can be a seed of Abraham. Read what Paul says about this. Go back to what God the Almighty tells Abraham, in there you will see. The day God shall reveal to you his word to Abraham and his promise to Abraham, that day you will understand why. For now, I seem to confuse you more and more so I shall not go on.

Actually there is something special in the name "Christian" because it represents those who follow Christ which represent Christ Himself. The word is a certain representation of "reality". Now of course one has to discern whether someone is a Christian in name only or also in their actions. However, the only one who can Truly judge that is Christ Himself.

Do you realise that anyone can follow Christ and call themselves or be called Christians, but how many do his Father's will? Do you think that by calling yourself a Christian you somehow get a right to the Fathers Kingdom? I refuse to be called a Christian and as you have rightly said above ONLY Jesus knows who truly belongs to him. Let us all wait until we reach the finish line.

Do you see what I am getting at?

I do not. Can we go back to the issue at hand and not make me the issue of discussion. If you feel we must discuss me then I am ready to but in a new thread not this. There people out there that want to know more of the word and not about me.