Christianity is a sect of the Jews

[nebula]

I submit He created nothing new, but lived it perfectly in order to become both our sacrifice and our example. He never told anyone to establish a new religion.. as a matter of fact the apostles CONTINUED in judaism. Teaching Christ and the resurrection was ONLY teaching the fulfillment of Hebrew prophecy, so they werent even adding anything new

[Guest shiloh357]

a convert to Judaism was supposed to be the only way one was joined to the congregation of Israel.

Judaism is a post biblical religion. No one in the Bible ever converted to Judaism.

Heres something to ponder... where did Christ or ANY apostle tell us that Christ created a new religion?

They didn't. But neither were they adherants to Judaism. Judaism is not the religion of the OT.

I submit He created nothing new, but lived it perfectly in order to become both our sacrifice and our example. He never told anyone to establish a new religion.. as a matter of fact the apostles CONTINUED in judaism.

That is factually and historically impossible.

[WolfBitn]

Judaism evolved through time, but it certainly never became 'another religion'

But as for the statement that its historicly factually and impossible Shiloh, i will be happy to look at your source proving differantly... where is it

Edited July 29, 2009 by WolfBitn

[WolfBitn]

Double post, sorry

Edited July 29, 2009 by WolfBitn

[nebula]

But Shiloh, the NT talks about "converts to Judaism" -

And they were talking about this during the time before the destruction of the Temple.

[Guest yod]

But Shiloh, the NT talks about "converts to Judaism" -

And they were talking about this during the time before the destruction of the Temple.

that would have to be a translation error because "judaism" didn't begin until 90 AD at Yavneh

[Hunterpoet]

Seriously want to know.... Who are the" followers of the way", what did they do differently than what we do at the baptist church I attend now?

What changed for the followers of the way after the first three centuries?

I visited a Messianic web-site awhile back. What struck me most was that this group really didn't think very highly of Pauls teachings. Do all Messianic's feel this way? Are there any other NT writings they disagree with??

You mention pagan rites and ordinances, christmas and easter are obvious, what other rites and ordinances do you refer too?

Not trying to start a fight, I just want some clarity. What would you say a Christian would have to do to be part of God's family?

Not a problem.

I think you will find a number of excellent references and resources at HaShaliach, please feel free to visit.

But first, here are three books that are outstanding, where the roots and heritage of the Christian faith are very well documented and explained from three different perspectives.

Our Father Abraham, Jewish Roots of the Christian Faith by Marvin R. Wilson, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1989, Grand Rapids, Michigan and Center for Jedaic-Christian Studies, Dayton, Ohio

Jewish Roots, A Foundation of Biblical Theology by Dan Juster, 1995, Destiny Image Publishers, Inc. P.O. Box 310, Shippensburg, PA 17257

The Church and the Jews, The Biblical Relationship by Dan Gruber, 1997, Serenity Books, P.O. Box 3595, Hagerstown, MD 21742.

These volumes also contain an excellent array of references.

I also highly recommend The Ecclesiastical History of Eusebius Pamphilus. I think it might be available to research on-line. Sorry, haven

[nebula]

that would have to be a translation error because "judaism" didn't begin until 90 AD at Yavneh

OK, so what was the religion of the Jews called before the creation of "Judaism"?

[Guest shiloh357]

But Shiloh, the NT talks about "converts to Judaism" -

And they were talking about this during the time before the destruction of the Temple.

What I am saying is that the religion of Judaism as we know it did not exist prior to the destruction of the Temple. Paul refers to the relgion of the Jews in at least two places in the NT, but he is not referring to the same relgion. The relgion of the OT was centered around the Temple and the sacrifices. Judaism as we know it has no frame of reference for many biblical concepts such as substitutionary sacrifice that Israelites in pre 70 AD Israel would have been familiar with.

[Guest shiloh357]

Judaism evolved through time, but it certainly never became 'another religion'

But as for the statement that its historicly factually and impossible Shiloh, i will be happy to look at your source proving differantly... where is it

To say it "evolved" is an understatement.